adamzan Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 I think it would require much less conversation to discuss the promises he has kept. I'll Start ... Thanks for listening, John Not even being sarcastic. That was good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94extreme Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 I think it would require much less conversation to discuss the promises he has kept. I'll Start ... Thanks for listening, John unable to complete even just one thought?... no wonder this country is going to hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 lol here is an introduction to a great documentary on how governments exaggerate and distort threats to create an environment in which they can easily control the population after watching all 3 parts, i am finding it hard to believe that the Al-Qaeda terrorist network even exists. I like to follow Obama's progress with this website: Obameter I was disappointed to see he broke the promise of letting lobbyists serve in the administration when they have interest in private organizations (ie The Cheney+Halliburton). Check the background of your Treasury Department Chief of Staff. The very guys that Obama chastised for getting us into this mess are the same guys he his staffing his administration with. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Recession is the new 9/11. Al Qaeda exists. The government is as crooked as anything. But having friends in the military who have done the fighting and aren't "believing the lie" that far away. I believe Al Qaeda exists, and loose change and all that is utter BS. The problem with the country is, nobody wants to bother. Election day is just a day when you get off work or school. People just want the government to run their lives which is a big problem. A large percentage of conspiracy theories, and zeitgeist this, reptile that, are all just absurdities. I'm not a genius or anything. I call it as I see it. Obama could've said he'd turn water to wine and people would've believe him. He got a large percentage of votes for his race. A few places I know of had black panthers in front. Voter manipulation? This year's election overall was just... a disaster. After the sheepish hatred on Bush (it became the "in" thing to hate him), that almost any republican didn't stand much of a chance. Then Obama's race played a pretty big part. Not saying there weren't people who liked his socialist views, just that he had alot of people simply doing it for the wrong reason. But yeah. People are easily controlled. Conspiracy theories capitalize on it as well. 2012, Reptillian Agenda, Nibiru, etc etc. All just giving you the illusion of an explanation to point fingers. Rather than actually do something. we could talk about politics all day. All I know is after federal tax I'm broke lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamzan Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 there is a reason why it's frowned upon to not talk about politics and religion here. we are all from different backgrounds so obviously not everyone is going to agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 there is a reason why it's frowned upon to not talk about politics and religion here. we are all from different backgrounds so obviously not everyone is going to agree. Yeah that's how it usually works. I don't mind some debates so long as it isn't the usual internet babble and lame or immature comebacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Then Obama's race played a pretty big part. Not saying there weren't people who liked his socialist views, just that he had alot of people simply doing it for the wrong reason. Guaranteed, there were at least the same # of people who DIDN'T vote for Obama, simply due to his skin colour. Race has nothing to do with it. Like it or not, something has changed....the global economy, and the US economy are on the rise. Maybe not as fast as some would have liked, but there are signs of recovery. Is this just the typical recession cycle running it's course, or is something that the Obama administration is doing helping the cause? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precise1 Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 For once, lack of Bush is a positive thing... B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94extreme Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Guaranteed, there were at least the same # of people who DIDN'T vote for Obama, simply due to his skin colour. Race has nothing to do with it. Like it or not, something has changed....the global economy, and the US economy are on the rise. Maybe not as fast as some would have liked, but there are signs of recovery. Is this just the typical recession cycle running it's course, or is something that the Obama administration is doing helping the cause? well, the race didn't creep up into election but i believe that what is going on now is highly racial. it's really hard to explain it any other way besides folks being scared of a black man in the white house. the strong opposition to healthcare for everyone seems to be racially motivated to me. For once, lack of Bush is a positive thing... B for once? it's ALWAYS good to be bushless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMasters Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Guaranteed, there were at least the same # of people who DIDN'T vote for Obama, simply due to his skin colour. Race has nothing to do with it. Like it or not, something has changed....the global economy, and the US economy are on the rise. Maybe not as fast as some would have liked, but there are signs of recovery. Is this just the typical recession cycle running it's course, or is something that the Obama administration is doing helping the cause? I agree that what appears to be a recovery is just a recession running its course but the problem is that many economists believe that we will have a double dip recession followed by massive inflation due to the unrealistic spending in Washington. It really does appear that Obama believes that you can eat your way out of obesity. People that live in reality know better than this and thats why the tide is turning on Obama. Common sense will always trump ideology. Obama has been given a chance by the American people and it has become painfully obvious that, like other politicians, his agenda is the only thing that matters. Auto Bailout = FAIL, Bank Bailout = FAIL, stimulus = FAIL, omnibus = FAIL, budget = FAIL, cashforclunkers = FAIL, healthcare = FAIL, it just goes on and on. He would NEVER had been elected without white voters and to think that as many people voted against him for racial reasons that voted for him because he is BLACK is just whistling past the graveyard. I gaurantee that the number of black voters in 2012 will be a far cry from 2008 because many black voters were voting PURELY on their sense of history and that history has been made. They got what they wanted. Our first black president. Did it really matter to them if we got a GOOD president? NOPE! And that makes them irrelevant, not the other way around. I thought this was going to be good for race relations in this country but now I find out that not supporting Obamas radical policies makes one a "racist" When you label someone a racist , there resistance to policy becomes irrelevent because you now have disdain for their opinion whether they are racist or NOT. So, if you find yourself falling for this political ploy from the left, just pull the wool from your eyes... Were so racist that we just elected a black man. Now thats racist. Voting against Obama in 2012 will also be considered racism(if your white) but if thats what it takes to get rid of him, then for the first time in history being a racist will be a good thing. unable to complete even just one thought?... no wonder this country is going to hell. Theres a thought and at least we agree that the country is, in fact, going to hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precise1 Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 I'll go ahead and pass judgement on the whole picture, his entire term in office, not just the first bit. Try to remember that what he was handed to preside over, the legacy from the previous 8 years, was really nothing but a large pile of feces. at least we agree that the country is, in fact, going to hell. I'm glad so many people see this, regardless of who or what they blame. Recognizing it is the first step to addressing it... B for once? it's ALWAYS good to be bushless. Very good point, I didn't think that one through well enough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94extreme Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 boy, some is full of fail. open your eyes mang. btw. bank bailout = bush but don't let the facts stop your racist tirades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beastpath Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 I just wish people would realize he is only in office for 8 years max. In all likelihood he will be a ONE term wonder. Realistically how much "socialist" change can be brought about in that little time in a country which has been so strongly capitalistic. In any case, calling him a "socialist" is extremist. He and his wife are independently wealthy and have used American capitalism to procure that wealth. And remember, he is a democrat. Democrats believe in government programs, so Obama is not doing anything out of the ordinary by suggesting a gov't health care program. People calling Obama a socialist is as ridiculous as when people called Bush a fascist. As far as health care goes; in my opinion, it shouldn't be a question of "should health care should be government run", but rather a question of "Do citizens of the United States have a right to a government option?" If you look at what Obama is actually proposing, there are both private and government health care options. Even on issues dear to the conservative American's heart, such as gun ownership, Obama doesn't really have that much leeway to change things for the long run. For four main reasons: Short term: 1. Voters; If Obama were to start to oppose gun ownership it would immediately turn the majority of Republicans against him, and probably many independents and moderates. Yes he may shore up support from the democrats, but that's about it. All he ends up doing is dividing the parties even more, essentially getting him no where. 2. IF by slim chance Obama were to get some sort of bill passed, for example another Anti-Assault Weapons Ban or some such, it would most definitely lead to the loss of Democratic majority in the house. That would mean he would have a much harder time getting ANY bill he supported through. So he's not likely to push issues that could cost him support he needs. Long term: 3. If Obama decided to push a highly controversial bill, and it was passed, then not only would the Democrats probably loose the house, but Obama would probably loose the next election. 4. The Democrats loosing the house and Obama loosing the next election would most likely mean a Republican house and Republican President, who would most likely overturn or adjust what had been previously done. Remember kids, Obama is not changing the constitution here, all other laws are changeable. Whatever happens we should all remember that we vote precisely to bring change to the government and therefore to the country. But that means we can change it back too if we don't like it. Disclaimer: I voted for neither of our past two presidents, and don't particularly like either the Democratic or Republican parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94extreme Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 nice.. BO isn't going after any body's guns anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precise1 Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 This is a political thread, how dare you bring your heathen, racist, leftwing logic in here!! B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMasters Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 btw. bank bailout = bush but don't let the facts stop your racist tirades. Thats true, and as I recall there were two auto bailouts. The first being initiated by Bush but bad behavior by one person doesn't excuse bad behavior by another and this thread is about Obama. Also, I have read my last post a few times and I would like for you to tell me what part of my "tirade" makes you believe that I think one race is superior to the other? nice.. BO isn't going after any body's guns anyway. He would if he thought he could get away with it. Remember, he supported the Washington DC gun ban until it was overturned. AND THEN... he supported the reversal. Was he confused as to which was unconstitutional? Of course not! His opinion is obviously based on political expediency. I mean, he WAS a constitutional law professor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beastpath Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 nice.. BO isn't going after any body's guns anyway. Yeah, I know, I was just using it as an example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammyb33 Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 This whole voting for race this is pure BS. Go ahead, say he was voted in office by the hordes of uninformed racially motivated citizens who voted him in office only because he was black. So lets take a step back and look at the previous two elections. I believe I heard, and saw (mainly on Fox) people saying/preaching in the streets, I don't know much about George Bush, but what I do know, is that he is a "good christian man," and that's good enough for me." WTF is the difference here? Dumb blinded uninformed people vote in EVERY STINKING ELECTION. Now because the repubs lost they are going to blame it on the supposedly "stupid black people" who voted this HORRIBLE man in office? Racial propaganda at its finest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammyb33 Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 What I think needs to happen, is the PEOPLE need to start another major party in our (basically) two party system. If there were a way to successfully challenge the bullheaded parties (yes both of them really suck) maybe the American people would finally regain their voice. But the repubs and the demos are so wrapped up in party politics and tied into big corporations agendas that we get lost in the shuffle. No matter who we elect each party is just going to veto the other in the senate/house and even in the next term in office. It just plain sucks. Is there ever a way out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammyb33 Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Not off of the backs of the people. That’s not how it was supposed to be & that’s not how you “make money.” .......... Oh & FYI, the printed money that you suggested just “making more of” isn’t actual money, it’s only little pieces of paper with ink on them that represent gold that is stored away. Gold is still the only real currency, not pieces of paper & ink or silver coated pieces of bronze I mistyped on that statement, and my "printing of money" was supposed to be sarcastic anyway. And actually now a days gold is not the only currency. much of our printed money is based on technology and the money it represents. And yes, a government, for the people, by the people is just that. A system of taxation to supply the gov't with money so it can in turn protect our ventures, whatever they may be, in this case its written up in the constitution and the bill of rights. We have to be taxed. Period. Thats just how our system was set up. We just need a better batch of true, honest, hardworking Americans to run for office before things will ever change. See above posts as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beastpath Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 We haven't been on a Gold Standard system since the end of the Bretton Woods agreement in 1971. Now we are on a free floating standard. I agree that there should be a 3rd party, but realistically don't think it will happen in my lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94extreme Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 it will happen. the repubs are fractured badly, possibly beyond repair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maikan Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Amazing to canadians eyes how americans are torn about health care system. I'm not in a daily contact with american but we have a lot of feedback from our news. (state news, widely neutral) I can't explain myself why you don't want everybody in your country to receive free healthcare? Just like some deserve it and others don't In a country where education is so costly it is a normal thing that some people don't have it and find difficulty to have highly paid jobs. I was hearding at radio-canada that for a family of four it may cost to 50 000 $ to have family insurance. If all americans put to shoulder to the wheel cost will be going way down, for indivuduals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimGreg Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 If all americans put to shoulder to the wheel cost will be going way down, for indivuduals. Key word. Those of us who do work and pay for things have no problem doing so for ourselves. But, when the government tells us we need to pay for those who won't work is when the anger comes in. Anyone can get health coverage as it is, a large number don't have it by choice because they know that there is a no denial of service clause at all ERs. So they go get a check-up, don't pay the bill, and the hospital writes it off. Then there is a small share who want to have heath insurance who can't afford it, but they still have cable TV at home and a cell phone and car payment. I'm supposed to pitty that and give up my paycheck, BS. Cut the cable, use the payphone at the corner and buy a $200 beater and get your heath insurance or efin deal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fukinitupagain Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 I can't explain myself why you don't want everybody in your country to receive free healthcare? Just like some deserve it and others don't If all americans put to shoulder to the wheel cost will be going way down, for indivuduals. Thats scoialism. I have insurance because I pay for it & in all honesty I don't care if my neighbors besideme don't have it. Hell I don't care if they suffer & die, cause I know that if my family struggles no one comes to our rescue & I don't expect anyone to. If you take care of & yours then thats all that needs to take place. I shouldn't have to be forced to take care of others & to be forced at the point of a gun (yes at the point of a gun because its money thats stolen from my income - taxes - that is used in these bullsh!t programs & if I refuse to pay taxes I am arrested & hauled off to jail - thats at the point of a gun) to contribute to charitees that I don't believe in nor do I care about. We are taught from a young age to love & care for everyone but its crap! My love & respect has to be earned not given out freely for the simple act of being born. We is the word in which the depraved steal the virtue of the good; by which the weak steal the might of the strong; by which the fools steal the wisdom of the sages. What is my joy, if all hands even the unclean can reach into it; what is my wisdom, if even the fools can dictate to me; what is my freedom, if all creatures, even the botched & the impotent are my masters; what is my life, if I am but to bow, to agree & to obey. But I am done with this creed of corruption; I am done with the monster of We. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jadm4x4 Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 ill just add. i have nothing to say. sounds like hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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