BobLoblaw Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 (edited) My Pathy is pretty hard to shift into first gear (e.g. at stop lights), even when it's warm. The rest of the gears are fine. What could be causing this specifically (syncros?) Edited March 2, 2008 by BobLoblaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 mini me has always been like that........ specially when cold........ she's ok warmed up............ i have checked her trans n everything is fine. think this is just a "thing" these kids have........... does it shift easier if you take yer foot off the clutch n "do it again" to get 1st? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriskaw440 Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 yep, mine is the same way. Sometimes stubborn to get into 1st gear (well so is my wife sometimes but thats another issue....) and like slick said, sometimes just playing with the clutch a bit helps. Most of the time my tranny with 240,000 miles on it (I use REDLINE too) works just fine, but sometimes she just-a-dont-a-wanna-go-into-da-first-gear when at a dead stop..... But I train at Golds Gym so I always win the fight LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mws Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Sounds like classic symptoms of a worn synchro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeV Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Sounds like classic symptoms of a worn synchro. Ouch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msavides Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 (edited) My Pathy is pretty hard to shift into first gear (e.g. at stop lights), even when it's warm. The rest of the gears are fine. What could be causing this specifically (syncros?) My Brand new old stock transmission was like that when I put it in. I pulled all the nissan wrap off this transmission when I installed it, so I know it was never used. Must be a common defect. like the fill level hole being to low. BTW mine only is a little stiff when cold, when she warms up no problems at all. Using Red line MT90 as well Mark Edited March 3, 2008 by msavides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowTied Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 I have seen this in different transmissions... sometimes the gears just don't line up - try shifting it into 3rd then back into 1st. If that doesn't help, you may need to adjust something, perhpas the throwout bearing isn't fully releasing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94extreme Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 mine shift easy and about the same whether it's -10 or 100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 i sometimes had to push my clutch in twice to get my old miata into reverse or first. somtimes it would go really smooth if i shifted to reverse, and then first gear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Pickles Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 (edited) Mine has done this since I bought the truck at 100K miles (now up to 165K miles, 6 years, and a clutch later now). Sometimes its just a stubborn bitch, but I can usually back it toward 2nd gear, then slide right into first, or it will just take a little *extra* push and go in. I never really thought about it too much, since my 720 pickup did the same thing every once in a while. Must be another Nissan thang. Edited March 5, 2008 by Mr. Pickles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriskaw440 Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 (edited) I'm thinking that its just a 'typical thing' with manual transmissions in vehicles that dont cost 50 or 100 thousand bucks or anything like that.....its a basic truck, not a high end Lexus or Ferrari. Given the nature of what they do, and how they are built just "stock"....they will not always operate smooth as warm butter. Im not going to worry about mine....its just life with an older vehicle mine operates just fine once warmed up or 90% of the time otherwise...so why go through all the headache of a rebuild or replacing them....these things are tough and I would just drive them until the gears or bearings just fall apart as long as you dont abuse it and keep top grade lube in it....they should last a loooooooooong time. If you are a hardcore 4x4 offroader...expect rebuilds more often. I cant afford another tranny or vechicle for that matter, so mine gets pampered, except for an occasional muddy trail or snowy field (but hell this is south carolina....snow???? pretty rare.) Edited March 7, 2008 by Chriskaw440 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Pickles Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 I'm thinking that its just a 'typical thing' with manual transmissions in vehicles that dont cost 50 or 100 thousand bucks or anything like that.....its a basic truck, not a high end Lexus or Ferrari. Given the nature of what they do, and how they are built just "stock"....they will not always operate smooth as warm butter. Im not going to worry about mine....its just life with an older vehicle mine operates just fine once warmed up or 90% of the time otherwise...so why go through all the headache of a rebuild or replacing them....these things are tough and I would just drive them until the gears or bearings just fall apart as long as you dont abuse it and keep top grade lube in it....they should last a loooooooooong time. If you are a hardcore 4x4 offroader...expect rebuilds more often. I cant afford another tranny or vechicle for that matter, so mine gets pampered, except for an occasional muddy trail or snowy field (but hell this is south carolina....snow???? pretty rare.) Exactly... minus the pampered part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yozsi Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 its not a bad syncro, there are no syncro's for the first gear. its your shifter fork becoming worn. The roll pin that holds the fork to the shifter rail has wallowed out the hole in the aluminum fork. very common problem in all older manuals. i would suggest good fluid such as redline mtl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87pathy Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 Mine does it too, this is how I handle it. Push towards first with pressure.. let out the clutch while pushing.. it slides in as soon as teh clutch starts to engage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unccpathfinder Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 (edited) i do the same thing as 87 or down shift into 1st as I'm coming to a stop while still rolling and keep the clutch in my 87 is 2nd gear and my 95 is 1st and I know the syncro's are going in my 95...but they've been going for the last 5 or 6 years with no worsening Edited March 7, 2008 by unccpathfinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Pickles Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 Sometimes mine all but refuses 1st. I'll do full clutch, then just tip the shifter toward 2nd quickly on the way to shifting into 1st, it slides right in. Weird stuff, I just call it "character." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriskaw440 Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 ...when mine get stubborn when the light turns green, I just use a bit of harsh language and that seems to help too... "D*mnit.....get...in ....there......F*cker!!....." and boom! good to go..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
91pathydestroyer Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 my 91 is the same, kinda hard to shift into first but just like others have said above, shifting into 2nd then 1st helps. mine is fine once she is warmed up. you gotta try different things to find her 1st gear g-spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittamaru Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 Least yall know nobody can steal the truck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY1PATH Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 (edited) LOL sometimes I have to goto 2nd b4 hitting reverse. anyway I think because stock 1st gen 5spd pathys were geared rediculously low it makes it hard to get into first unless @ a completed dead stop (no creeping) I usually tap the gas just a hair(with clutch in) going into first and it seems to slide right in no prob on my 89. Edited March 13, 2008 by MY1PATH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamzan Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 The dealer ship mechanic told my dad when he bought the 2000 pathy that if he just does a rolling stop, not that they condone them, but say like you had to slow down, enough to need first, they told him to just start in 2nd. Because on his 1st was to start from a DEAD stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janolopsen Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 my mechanic said that is a problem of worn tops, when you try to find the first gear to your left the top prevents you to overpass the gear so if you try to reach the third then a little bit left you have the first its easy just has to get used to. the same with second gear... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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