JamesRich Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 Yep, that sounds about right. It's not that bad though... You still haven't gotten the plug out?? You tried soaking it with penetrant?? Heating it?? Beating it?? How bunged up is the square drive hole, will a 1/2 inch drive breaker bar still fit?? If so, put one in and shim it with steel shims as tight as possible, turn the handle so it is at a right angle, put a floor jack under it so it is forced into the plug and you don't have to try to hold it in then (try to) rotate it back and forth both directions until it starts to turn. The last one I did was so tight that when I heaved on it all I did was slide all 200lbs of me out from under the truck. I had to use the floor jack method, brace one foot on the frame and wrap one leg around a tire before I could get enough leverage. I just slit the carpet an inch or two in the corners, it's not too bad to get in there. Just be patient. B No I still didn't get it out. The square drive hole is buggered beyond any shim help. I didn't think of the floor jack or else I might not have buggered it. I had both feet on the opposite frame rail with a large ratchet when it twisted out. I got some NPT easy outs. They are short and have a shoulder to bottom out against the plug. Not sure if they will work, I haven't felt like cursing that much again. If ever my blood pressure gets back into a normal range I will try again. If I can't get it out I will just remove the fill plug and let it drain, then add 1 1/2L of fresh oil to top it off and worry about it next year. At least I will know it has enough oil in it. James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sewebster Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 No I still didn't get it out. The square drive hole is buggered beyond any shim help. I didn't think of the floor jack or else I might not have buggered it. I had both feet on the opposite frame rail with a large ratchet when it twisted out. I got some NPT easy outs. They are short and have a shoulder to bottom out against the plug. Not sure if they will work, I haven't felt like cursing that much again. If ever my blood pressure gets back into a normal range I will try again. If I can't get it out I will just remove the fill plug and let it drain, then add 1 1/2L of fresh oil to top it off and worry about it next year. At least I will know it has enough oil in it. James You could stick a tube in through the drain plug to the bottom of the transmission and then siphon the fluid out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precise1 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sewebster Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 Uh, what I meant to say was stick a tube in through the fill port, if your drain plug was the only one stuck. Perhaps this is supremely obvious, and obviously my poor typing didn't help. You'd also be limited by how deep you could get a tube, but probably you can weasel a small one down pretty far... On a side note, I just replaced my transmission fluid on my new (91) pathfinder. I was dissapointed to find only the 3.6L in there, and the transmission makes terrible sounds, so presumably it's going to die at some point. Anyway, my information is that by jacking the truck up as far as I could conveniently I got the frame on the high side 2 feet off the ground. This allowed me to put in just under 5 quarts. So I'm a little low still (target 5.1 L = 5.4 US quarts), but a lot better than before. Maybe the MT-90 will perform better than the worn out dino oil that was in there before too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camsonat Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 Hello everybody, it's time to change the manual transmission oil. I own a Terrano after the inscriptions and registration but after some VIN decoders it's a Pathfinder. How could I know what version of MT it has? I have a Chilton repair manual for Datsun/Nissan Pick-up and Pathfinder 1970-1989 and it doesn't say anything about that issue but it says all of the Pathfinders 1986-1989 with VG30I have FS5R30A 5 speed transmission. I didn't hear any suspect noise coming from the MT in any gear. What I have to do? 3,6 L or 5,1 L? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sewebster Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 Hello everybody, it's time to change the manual transmission oil. I own a Terrano after the inscriptions and registration but after some VIN decoders it's a Pathfinder. How could I know what version of MT it has? I have a Chilton repair manual for Datsun/Nissan Pick-up and Pathfinder 1970-1989 and it doesn't say anything about that issue but it says all of the Pathfinders 1986-1989 with VG30I have FS5R30A 5 speed transmission. I didn't hear any suspect noise coming from the MT in any gear. What I have to do? 3,6 L or 5,1 L? I think it should tell you which transmission you have on the tag in the engine compartment (passenger side, rear). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camsonat Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 Today, I tried to find a label or something in the engine compartment. I didn't find anything. I think I will put 5L in my MT and that's it. What could be wrong if I put too much oil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davekell Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 I just found out about this problem...have a 94 SE 5-speed. the noise pretty bad now and 3k aint worth it to me so today I'm gonna buy a 97 SE automatic for 2k or less. I'm gonna take it to the dealer and have them do a fluid service. And then guess I'm gonna put it on craigslist for 1500$ or best I can get lol. (will inform about the counter shaft i'm not a dick.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davekell Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 (edited) Anyone know part numbers for basic parts for the rebuild? Having a horrid time finding them online. I found someone to pull and rebuild for 300 bucks. +parts. Well never mind the part #'s lol, the guy researched it and decided he needed much more than 300$, I told him yea? why do you think I jumped when u said you would pull and replace the counter-shaft bearings for 300+parts. ugh! So its back on Craigslist again. Edited February 23, 2011 by davekell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1994SEV6 Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 How do I know how much fluid is in the trans? I just bought a 5speed from a guy, and I'm not sure how much fluid is in there. I don't want to drain it out because I know it is brand new. He is the type of guy who replaced everything just so he wouldn't have to do it again in a year. I don't know if he replaced the fluid through the filler hole or the shifter. How can I tell if the trans has 3.6l or 5.1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sewebster Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Well, I would ask him, first of all. Doing it yourself, I doubt there is going to be a way to figure out exactly how much is in there, unless you drain it and measure. You could tilt the transmission over to the side and remove the fill plug. Then tilt it slowly back over. If it starts to come out before you get it level then you know that it has more than the 3.6L, but you don't know how much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towncivilian Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Here is a better version of NTB97-009a than what is currently on the first post. I can't get a cleaner copy of NTB97-009 but this one supersedes it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott.T Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 I am happy someone pointed this thread out to me. I just bought a 95 xe about a month ago and it is whining in all but 4th gear. For those of you that had this problem and over filled the trans, how much longer did the trans last? I saw that there were a few people that encountered this problem a few years ago and just overfilled them. I dont have the money for a rebuild so I am going to change it out and over fill it as soon as I get home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxChaser Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Just need an idea here... I've got a 93 Pathy with 137k miles. Replaced the trans fluid a month or so ago, but can't remember now what I put in (errgh!). I know it was a Lucas product, and I just filled it to the point it spilled out of the filler (on level driveway). Haven't really noticed a whine, more of a hum but it seems more of the engine humming than the trans, I may be wrong. I listen to my music too loudly to pay attention, so on my next trip home I'll be able to get a good idea on it. Before and after changing the trans fluid, I still get a grind going from 5th down to 4th, and rarely going from 3rd to 4th. Trans was either replaced or rebuilt at 100k. I'm guessing I need to just tilt the truck on a steep hill and pump that case full of fluid? Thinking about just re-doing the trans fluid with MT90. I can't really add through the shifter because I've got some angle iron mounted next to it (I've got a laptop stand in the truck) so I can't pull that carpet up. I'm guessing that to end the grinding, I'll just add more trans oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towncivilian Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 (edited) Ew, Lucas. Be sure you get a proper GL-4 fluid like Amsoil MTG or Redline MT90 for your next trans drain & fill. I'm not sure what to suggest about how to overfill without using the shifter hole, hopefully somebody else knows. Edited September 13, 2012 by Towncivilian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precise1 Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Yes, the other fill option that is better than nothing is to tip the truck as much as possible. I can't recall who did this, but it seemed to work with the warning of having to tip it considerably so be save, obviously. B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sewebster Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 I tipped mine A LOT and didn't quite get the full amount in. And it was rather sketchy the way I was jacking it. But you can basically do it this way if you are willing to goof around, might be easier, but more dangerous than through the top, and you might not succeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdauria Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Alright so i tried the tipping method before i left for school, and after getting almost 5 bottles of redline mt-90 in, i gave up (I just drove it up onto car ramps at the passenger side tires). Obviously now that i am hundreds of miles away from home, my trans started whining again. I've got another bottle of redline on its way from amazon, and i'm curious as to whether there are any other factors that could help with the tilting method. What positions should the shifters be in? I think I had them in 2wd for the t case and neutral for the trans when i first did it. I don't exactly know how the engine/trans/tcase work together sadly, but if the gear oil can move from the t case to the trans it would make sense to tip it both sideways and forward or backward, with the t case in a setting that would allow the fluid to flow around, no? (please excuse my lack of knowledge if i am completely wrong...i would be more than happy to learn!) if i'm completely off i guess i'll be pulling my seats and stuff in my apartment's parking lot and getting at that shifter haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towncivilian Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 The T-case has separate fluid and the fluids do not mix. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxChaser Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Ew, Lucas. Be sure you get a proper GL-4 fluid like Amsoil MTG or Redline MT90 for your next trans drain & fill. Yeah unfortunately that's all that O'Reilly had at the time.. Won't waste my time going back there again as my dad's insurance adjuster discount did nothing for me. Plus I didn't get much help. Would anyone recommend just draining the trans fluid now and refilling it with Redline MT-90? I just did the fluid change about a month or two ago so obviously it hasn't been in there a while. I'm also reviewing my Chilton manual to see how many bottles of fluid I bought (receipt is out in the truck) and I know I bought at least 4 quarts, and I used almost all of it to get it filled til it spilled. I know I'll have some spare time in early October to do the job, so would anyone recommend changing it out? I don't have any humming or whining, but it sometimes grinds going from 5th to 4th. Otherwise that's it. Thanks for the heads up.. Really want to keep this thing running for a few more years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor636 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Is the Lucas a G-4? If not change it for sure. I'd change it anyway, Redline made my tranny shift like butter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdauria Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 So i finally added the rest of the extra gear oil to my transmission yesterday and i would like to say THANK YOU SO MUCH to everyone who has offered tips and advice in this thread especially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Random thought, but for those of us with WD21's that need new transmissions, would it be better to source a 5 speed from the R50's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precise1 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Yes, I understand that they are identical other than the fill hole is higher up in the casting, giving it the desired reservoir. They are fairly rare and might be hard to find though... B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towncivilian Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Would the bellhousing be the same even though pre-facelift R50s have VG33Es? How about using FS5R30A from 96-97 D21 w/ VG30, as those have the corrected fill hole location and presumably the same bell housing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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