zonianbrat Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Absolutely not. But he's the one put in the position of power, and he's the one with the final say. Canada's Prime Minister at the time was advised by many to go to war in support of the US, but he had the testicular fortitude to say no. That, and he respected the UN's decision on the matter. You are correct Simon Bush is the one put in the position of power but I dont believe for a second that he has the final say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 You are correct Simon Bush is the one put in the position of power but I dont believe for a second that he has the final say. That idea is just scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonianbrat Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Welcome to America!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laxman0324 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Now that initial opinions are in, this thread should be locked until 6 months into his presidency and then opened up for reviews...seems like noone has a positive outlook on him, I just hope he proves us wrong and does our country good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammyb33 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I have one question for the Americans on the board (the majority of you). Can he do worse then the previous regime? My personal opinion, again, as someone outside your country, is that he'll be a good president, IF he survives. He seems to have the same charisma and intelligence as Kennedy and Clinton, and should curb the world's view that your country is run by a dumb redneck (Bush). It would be sad, not just for him, but for the US as a whole if he is killed. It would set you guys back 100 years. Thank you, this is exactly how I feel. Our country as a whole needs to regain some of its respect (towards who is leading our country) back that was lost while Bush was in office. He is a wonderful orator that can hopefully accomplish some of what he preaches. I dislike it when people make comments about finding his "magic hat" because without it he wont be able to make good on all of his outlandish promises, but I ask you, did he always say he was going to accomplish them in his 4 years? No. He always said we need to get the ball rolling towards these solutions, he never said "magically" it was going to happen in his four years, he mainly projected 8 to 10 years, which I think is realistic. As far as being upset about the redneck comment, no need to get upset about it JM, its a common title he receives from people in other countries, and I personally think how could they think otherwise? He isnt a good public speaker, he normally comes across as knowing nothing (even if that is not the case) being just a "dumb redneck puppet" for the rest of his administration to puppeteer around. So overall I think Obama is a good change, even just a face change and hopefully he will be able to get something accomplished with a Dem. Senate and House. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I have one question for the Americans on the board (the majority of you). Can he do worse then the previous regime? My personal opinion, again, as someone outside your country, is that he'll be a good president, IF he survives. He seems to have the same charisma and intelligence as Kennedy and Clinton, and should curb the world's view that your country is run by a dumb redneck (Bush). It would be sad, not just for him, but for the US as a whole if he is killed. It would set you guys back 100 years. in a single word... absolutely. In fact, he could do worse simply because he sold the public a bill of goods and I doubt that he will be able to deliver them. If he can... great but the public needed to look beyond the "i want change" and start asking "how do you plan on changing the country and is it feasable" Previous government had a lot to deal with and there are few that could recover any sort of normalcy following the sept 11 events. The liberal bleeding hearts could have jumped in and whined and asked them to please not do it again but Bush made a decision that I stand by. He decided (and not by himself cause that can't be done with our gevernment structure) to bitch-slap the terrorists and those that harbored and trained them. Hussein had always been a prick (see the 1991 events) and getting rid of him was just a bonus. Like I tried to explain to vsicks (though he was not willing to listen), teh presidents job is to protect the nation and it's people. If lying to the public actually protects them, then he did his job and, since I happened to have access to information that the general public was not, I believe he was correct in his actions. But enough about Bush. Let's hope Obie can deliver what he said. and I would love to see the look on his face when he learns the information that he was not allowed to know by being a senator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Hussein had always been a prick (see the 1991 events) and getting rid of him was just a bonus. I can see your point on everything else besides what I've quoted. There was NO reason to start (or re-start) the war in Iraq. That's where Shrub and his administration overstepped their bounds, and did wrong. The attitude that it was a "bonus" is exactly why. Just because he's a "prick" isn't reason enough. May as well say you have a right to kill anyone you think is a prick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 LOL. Awesome. Another guy who believes that 9/11 had ANYTHING to do with Iraq. THINK before you speak, or (in Bush's case) start wars. Also, the dumb redneck comment was NOT directed at you, or anyone else, other than Bush. No need for hositilities. actually, it did but not entirely or directly. There were several issues why the decision was made to go into iraq. One of the main ones was that they were believed to be developing nuclear weapons and had already been proven to have and used chemical weapons and they were playing a shell game with the UN inspectors. Yea, we knew about the intentional delays to the inspections, the buried rail cars and shipping containers (and even airplanes), etc. Where 911 ties in is that Hussein provided support to Bin Laden and his organization (so did/does Syria but we haven't turned that country into a smoking hole like I would wish). The fear of OBL having access to chems and nukes was a bit much and it was decided to put a stop to it. but that's all discussion that has already happened and is in the past. and no... we didn't invade Iraq just to take the oil (like some frucking idiots believe) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94extreme Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 BEHAVE!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 On Obama..... Like it or not, the US is not an island. The US cannot sustain itself without imports and support of other countries. With that said, foreign policy is important. That was something the Shrub administration overlooked. This is where Obama, in my opinion, will excel. In repairing relations outside the US, he'll be able to better the lives of those residing within it. Negotiations will be far more favourable for the US if they're leader isn't stepping on everyone else's toes. Aid (when needed) will come in much faster, and with more backing, if the US shows a better tolerance and acceptance (as a country) for the rest of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unccpathfinder Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 May as well say you have a right to kill anyone you think is a prick. Now that is a concept...but there should be some hierarchy or guidelines that the candidate must satisfy to through with it... just joking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 actually, it did but not entirely or directly. There were several issues why the decision was made to go into iraq. One of the main ones was that they were believed to be developing nuclear weapons and had already been proven to have and used chemical weapons and they were playing a shell game with the UN inspectors. Yea, we knew about the intentional delays to the inspections, the buried rail cars and shipping containers (and even airplanes), etc. Where 911 ties in is that Hussein provided support to Bin Laden and his organization (so did/does Syria but we haven't turned that country into a smoking hole like I would wish). The fear of OBL having access to chems and nukes was a bit much and it was decided to put a stop to it. but that's all discussion that has already happened and is in the past. and no... we didn't invade Iraq just to take the oil (like some frucking idiots believe) IF that's the case (and it's a big if) that Iraq did have WMD's, I can see the idea. But there's a double standard. Why should the US be the only ones that have them? Does Iraq not have the right to defend themselves? It's not like the US will listen to the UN if (when?) the time comes to use them, at least, not if someone like Bush (and/or his administration) is involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Absolutely not. But he's the one put in the position of power, and he's the one with the final say. not true. The president has no clear constitutional authority to declare war without congressional approval. Bush asked permission to congress and to the UN. The U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate voted overwhelmingly to give President Bush broad authority to use force against Iraq. In addition, teh UN then required Iraq to demonstrate that it is disarming its weapons of or face "serious consequences." Dubya asked and all agreed and approved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precise1 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 They ain't gonna ban you... Looks around for V6 to poke his head in and stir the pot since he hasn't been around in a while... Ehem. He was banned... B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Right, so why did the US go to war with Iraq? Could it be because Shrub was continuing Daddy's war from years past?!?!? No.....couldn't be. Could it have been because he wanted control of the oil? No....couldn't be. It was because of the imaginary WMD's that Iraq had. Right....that's it. And seriously, you have an amazingly skewed "knowledge" of WW1 and 2. Canada's contributions to BOTH WW's were substantial, and were integral to victory in both cases. Do a little reading on the subject, you might learn something. he may be thinking of the french :-P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5523Pathfinder Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Well, I gotta ring in here. I read everyones comments so far, and I have to say, WOW. Now, I was raised in a Republican family with the traditional values. Over the last decade, I have watched the Republican ideas to into the trash. The party is weak. Very weak now. People need to start believing that there is something bigger going on. I have come to the conclusion that all presidents since Bush Sr., have all been puppet. Heck, maybe all presidents have been puppets. I worry that BHO will lead us deeper into Socialism. OUr government will grow bigger (have you heard about the private military that BHO wants to create to protect us?), taxes will increase, and it will get even harder to grow a small business. He even said it himself that he "wants to spread the wealth around". Didnt they try that in the USSR? Umm, isnt that part of Communism? Oh yeah, the other big story to go with this campaign is how much money was spent by BHO. Do some light research and you will find, as did I, that most of BHO contributions were from BANKS! Big Banks! Even banks that are part of the Federal Reserve! Glad we bailed them out. Hey Canadians!!! Have you heard of the push for a North American Union? Look it up. This is not just the U.S. pushing for this. If you every hear about this, you need to fight it. As a proud American, I want to keep my country seperate from others. Its just a matter of pride. They are even talking a about a common currancy like in Europe. They want to unify us all so there can be a world government! Whoever said that Americans are underinformed, was right! Have you ever seen the movie Idiocracy? If that doesnt portray what our world will be like some day, its scary to think. Do I think McCain was better? Not really, but he lost. Ok, before I get off my soapbox, I will say this......As a American, I will support my president as any good American should. We should support America better in general. All citizens of any and all countries should be proud of were they live! Take the time to stay informed and fight for the right people to lead our countries. Dont let these puppets continue to fool you! God bless all people of the World......and God Bless America! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 he may be thinking of the french :-P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unccpathfinder Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 (edited) Ehem. He was banned... B I figured he was...I think you guys should give him like a week to get on here just for entertainment. It was always fun to ruffle his feathers and get him going on his high horse...k enough of my bs i'll get it back on topic if i post... Edited November 5, 2008 by unccpathfinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 (edited) Right back at YaYes,Canadians don't start wars. They just let the U.S. & England do most of the work. WW1 WW2 & now the war on Muslim extremist. Didn't Simon just tell you to think before you speak? I am going to let this statement roll off my back for now, but maybe you should shut off the television and crack open a few history books and check out the Canadian news sites once in a while. You aren't doing anything to shed the ignorance with which the world community has associated your population. WW I - 10X the sacrifice 216 676 Canadians killed or wounded or 3% of the population 323 155 Americans killed or wounded or or .3% of the total population I won't get into the fact of how Canadian soldiers were always relied upon to do the heaviest fighting of that entire war. WW II - Still more as a portion of population 45 300 Canadians killed or 4% of the total population 418 500 Americans killed or 3% of the total population Now in 1947, Canada decided it's best place is as Peace Keepers and part of international security forces as opposed to an independently-acting military force Korean War 1396 Canadians killed, wounded or captured (as part of UN forces) Gulf War 4500 soldiers deployed 'War' on 'Terror' (which imho is total bull$hit) 106 Canadians killed, 2500 deployed in Afghanistan Since 1947, Canada has dedicated over 100 000 soldiers in nearly 40 peace keeping missions, not including deployment in Nigeria in the late 60's or under Nato command in Bosnia. If you're going to make statements about Canada's involvement in world conflict, you'd better have some facts to back them up. Canada made a greater sacrifice in both world wars, and every other war since then we have always been there to back up our allies and keep the violence to a minimum. I don't see us as an aggressor at all, but more often than not, it's the actions of your country which bring us into the fight. Canadians have always donated a larger proportion of our population and GDP in peacekeeping efforts than most members of the UN and we get little to no recognition for our efforts (not that it really matters). Now back on topic, I am excited to see what Obama has in store for USA and I hope he can clean up some of the mess left by the previous administration. I am more of a 'right winger' when it comes to economic policy, but i like libertarian social policy. I am just dumbfounded that the republicans would choose Palin as the successor to McCain in the unfortunate even he could not fullfill his duties as President. I am just happy that GWB and his group of a$$hats are finally finished with grinding your beautiful country into the ground. Too bad you will still feel aftershocks of his terrible policy long after he is gone. USA used to be such an awesome country and had a great reputation 8 years ago and i can't believe that the Bush administration ruined it all in less than 2 terms in office. There's a lot more places a Canadian is accepted in the world than and American, and you can thank your jackass ex-president for that one. Edited November 5, 2008 by nige Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5523Pathfinder Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 not true. The president has no clear constitutional authority to declare war without congressional approval. Bush asked permission to congress and to the UN. The U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate voted overwhelmingly to give President Bush broad authority to use force against Iraq. In addition, teh UN then required Iraq to demonstrate that it is disarming its weapons of or face "serious consequences." Dubya asked and all agreed and approved. Yep, both Democrats and Republicans voted for that one. More stood up to say no to the bailout, and that wasnt that many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precise1 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Canada's contributions to BOTH WW's were substantial, and were integral to victory in both cases. They brought the beer... B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Hey Canadians!!! Have you heard of the push for a North American Union? Look it up. This is not just the U.S. pushing for this. If you every hear about this, you need to fight it. As a proud American, I want to keep my country seperate from others. Its just a matter of pride. They are even talking a about a common currancy like in Europe. They want to unify us all so there can be a world government! I've heard about that, and would fight it. I hope it never comes to fruition. My guess is that given the fall of the US dollar against other currencies is a partial incentive for this. The CDN dollar has always been (save for a few months where we didn't have play money) a much weaker currency. That's actually good for our economy as a whole, given that the US is our prime trading partner. A common currency would only serve to blur the border that the previous administration has tried to strengthen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I can see your point on everything else besides what I've quoted. There was NO reason to start (or re-start) the war in Iraq. That's where Shrub and his administration overstepped their bounds, and did wrong. The attitude that it was a "bonus" is exactly why. Just because he's a "prick" isn't reason enough. May as well say you have a right to kill anyone you think is a prick. sorry about the generalization... I believe supporting information is another post of mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precise1 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I am just happy that GWB and his group of a$$hats are finally finished with grinding your beautiful country into the ground. Too bad you will still feel aftershocks of his terrible policy long after he is gone. Well, that wraps it all up. Ok, go home, thread over... B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 BEHAVE!! just having a civil conversation. Nothing like the old days, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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