NaturaTek Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 I was googling info on oils and found a post that said: 10w40 is harldy ever used anymore (do not use it unless you have a car that calls for it, mostly older cars). 5w30 is VERY thin, so it heats up & breaks down very fast. You forgot the other option which is 10w30 & this is the oil you should use all year round (unless you are in the artic). People will tell you 5W30 is better (which it is given the choice of that or 10w40) but 10w30 is the best for normal cold winters (like New York or Chicago type). I have driven in some of the coldest of winters (-60 with the wind chills) & have never had a problem with 10w30 oil. You may also hear that you should let your car warm up for 10 mins before you drive it. This is another myth as you want to put the engine under load (in drive & in motion) as soon as you can. While the engine is "warming up" for the 10 mins (in idle) the rpms are much faster & not much oil is getting to the required parts. There may be times it is sooooo cold that all your fluids are goop, so you have to give it a few mins to warm up. But as soon as it will let you, put the car in motion. I have to admit, I've heard the warm up for 10minutes theory for a long long time. But in light of that post and other reading, is it a myth??? Or a must? I also admit, man, I start my pathy up and just go. I hate waiting and I always feel guilty of this 'warming up' theory in the back of my head. I'm pretty sure its common sense to warm up in the cold arse winter (I have not driven in winter yet, this year be the first), but if this warming up car is actually true, how much harm will one do if they don't warm up their car/svu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 I give mine enough time for the oil pressures (engine and tranny) to come up and then I go. As far as oil, I am suspicious about someone who writes that 10W30 is berrer and uses the justification that they have used it without any problem. Guess what... I use 5w30 in mine. Thinner is easier to pump in the cold and more likely to get to the valves quickly. I switched to 20W50 in my honda because I was burning a little oil and had a small leak. The thicker oil lasted longer cause it didn't leak as fast. If I recall correctly, there is a diagram underhood with the reco oil based on your most common weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 The warmup routine is old news. That was for carbureted vehicles. 30seconds to 1 minute is long enough for a fuel injected vehicle to warm up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainman Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 The warmup routine is old news. That was for carbureted vehicles. 30seconds to 1 minute is long enough for a fuel injected vehicle to warm up. Yup, old news. The warmup period for me consists of starting the truck, moving it out of the garage, putting on my seatbelt and filling in the km's in my log book. Then I go. Max of a minute. Doing the long idle warmup does not warm up the trannie or diff. And I seem to get heat faster into the cabin too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denisb Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 (edited) Doing the long idle warmup does not warm up the trannie or diff. And I seem to get heat faster into the cabin too. Ah but if you do want to warm up the tranny and differential try this. Put your transfer case in neutral with the handbrake on and put your tranny in drive or 1st gear. This will simulate driving down the road because your tranny is actually turning. Don't forget to pull your tranny in neutral and give it a few seconds before pulling your transfer case back in gear though as you might not like the sounds you hear.....so I heard Edited November 28, 2007 by denisb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainman Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Ah but if you do want to warm up the tranny and differential try this. Put your transfer case in neutral with the handbrake on and put your tranny in drive. This will simulate driving down the road because your tranny is actually turning. Don't forget to pull your tranny in neutral and give it a few seconds before pulling your transfer case back in gear though as you might not like the sounds you hear.....so I heard No neutral setting on my trannie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94extreme Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 No neutral setting on my trannie wtf? it has to.. not in gear is N and besides: Ah but if you do want to warm up the tranny and differential try this. Put your transfer case in neutral with the handbrake on and put your tranny in drive. This will simulate driving down the road because your tranny is actually turning. Don't forget to pull your tranny in neutral and give it a few seconds before pulling your transfer case back in gear though as you might not like the sounds you hear.....so I heard i normally warm my up.. start it.. go back in the house.. come back in a little and drive but the garage is rarely v. frozen. anyway, the pollution controls kick in faster because the truck actually warms up faster when drive.. k9, the quote about 10w30 is actually right except his reason is weak.. the real reason is that it is the base oil from which all other oils are made so it has less additives and doesn't break down as easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 k9, the quote about 10w30 is actually right except his reason is weak.. the real reason is that it is the base oil from which all other oils are made so it has less additives and doesn't break down as easily. Well ain’t that nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Dank Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 Yeah I warm it up for about a couple of minutes and take it easy on the gas until its all warmed up. But I always believed 5w30 to be better in the winters than 10w30 by personal experience. My fiance's ford escort was not able to start on one of our coldest mornings last year, down to -30F. I changed it over to 5w30 and never had any problems starting it up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daftpup Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 (edited) Listen, they don't call this Winterpeg for nothing. There are mornings so cold here, that I don't dare try driving until the truch has been running, in neutral, for 5 minutes. Not only is it an ambient temp thing within the cab, but stuff sounds like it's actually gonna bust when it's -40C. Besides, it usually takes us that long to scrape fargin snow and ice of truch and find our testicles. Oh, and I believe in 5/30 in winter for sure. Edited November 28, 2007 by daftpup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 In THAT extreme cold....yeah....5 minutes is fine..... No matter what...that temperature is hard on a vehicle. The waste of time is when people do it when it's -1 and idle their vehicle for 10 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vengeful Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 My winter routine... Walk outside. Brush crap off drivers door so it doesn't get all over my seat. Start truck. Brush rest of crap off truck. Hop in and go. By the time I go, I usually have warm air blowing, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkGardiner Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 my heater sucks, i freeze all winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturaTek Posted November 28, 2007 Author Share Posted November 28, 2007 How many of you path guys actually use 5/30 for winter use? Is it safe for 10w30 mobil 1 for winter (NJ.NY winter) use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yozsi Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 i use 10w40 in summer and 10w30 in winter. it can get to like -15 deg f here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkGardiner Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 last 2 winters 10w30, this winter probably 5w30 we can get to -30f, sometimes lower its cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g5mike Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 my heater sucks, i freeze all winterReally mine rocks!!! got the new car in the driveway it takes three times as long as the pathy to blow hot air Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkGardiner Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 ya i should get that fixed lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94extreme Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 nissan recommends 10w30 in the vehilcle.. winteroegs should definitely use 5w30 or even 0w30 or maybe even lower on the second number. mobil 1 is kick butt anytime of the year.. the weights still apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daftpup Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 my heater sucks, i freeze all winter Yeah you must have a problem cuz my Pathy has remarkable heat. It kicks the ass of the heater in the family van that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamzan Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 (edited) My 94 hadn't been running for 3 months it was sitting out in the back yard, i go start it up, started on the first crank, and was blowing hot air within 5 minutes. nissan this was the middle of january with -45 degree weather fyi Edited November 29, 2007 by redfinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daftpup Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 My 94 hadn't been running for 3 months it was sitting out in the back yard, i go start it up, started on the first crank, and was blowing hot air within 5 minutes. nissan this was the middle of january with -45 degree weather fyi Ok , like, I lived just outside of Ottawa for 4 years dude and I dont recall it getting anywhere close to -45C. DO NOT try and scam a scammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainman Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 The waste of time is when people do it when it's -1 and idle their vehicle for 10 minutes. Yup, our neighborer idles his truck for around 1/2 hour for his 5 minute commute to work And his wife is just as bad, she will let their van sit running for up to an hour before going for a 15 minute trip. Make you sick to see that kind of waste. And it does not matter if it is + 10 or -5 (Celsius of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daftpup Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 Yup, our neighborer idles his truck for around 1/2 hour for his 5 minute commute to work And his wife is just as bad, she will let their van sit running for up to an hour before going for a 15 minute trip. Make you sick to see that kind of waste. And it does not matter if it is + 10 or -5 (Celsius of course). That's insane. You should report 'em to the bad neighbor board or something. I also have a horrible neighbor but that's cuz he's a Nazi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainman Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 That's insane. You should report 'em to the bad neighbor board or something. I also have a horrible neighbor but that's cuz he's a Nazi. No law here against it unless you have a commercial vehicle, then you are limited to 5 minutes. Damm Western Canada redneck towns thats me on the left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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