Vsicks Pathy Posted December 8, 2007 Author Share Posted December 8, 2007 (edited) Spineless crybaby. Bush, good, bad or otherwise is the elected leader of the country, until that changes, not much you can do but cry in your cheereos, get over it and vote in a year. Bush hasn't been the best pres. but he is a lot better than people give him credit for, and there have been much worse. At least he isn't getting hummers from some slut in the oval office.....Maybe that's why Hilary wants a shot, so she can have..... Bush is the worst President in US history. No if but or maybes about it. This for a bit of humour. It is truly amazing, the cries for impeachment of Clinton were so loud I could hear them from here. And all because he was enjoying a Cuban cigar. It is more amazing that you'd make such a point when the current regime illegally invaded a sovereign country and wants to attack another one. When the current regime has stripped away your civil rights. When the current regime can hold people without charge for as long as they like. When your current regime referred to (what was) your Constitution as "just a god damned piece of paper. Is perspective not a word in your vocab? Who are you suggesting were the "much worse Presidents"? Not forgetting that Nixon's approval rating was never as low a Bush's. Edited December 8, 2007 by Vsicks Pathy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 (edited) Over 90 countries helped out with Katrina. The response was overwhelming on a global scale. It just wasn't so important to Bush's regime. As to why that is, you'll have to ask them. oops... careful on the reference... the actual quote is "According to U.S. officials, more than 90 countries and organizations have offered nearly $1 billion in assistance to Katrina victims." a subtle difference but I sure you would want to have the correct information. While all good intentioned, there were obviously differences in the amount of assistance and if it was ever even received. Couple of examples: Romania offered 2 medical teams Luxembourg offered a team of five persons with a jeep and a couple thousand blankets China provided 5 million dollars and 104 tons of supplies including generators, tents and bed sheets Cuba offered to send 1,586 doctors and 26 tons of medicine but, get this, it was rejected by the State Dept. Hungary pledged $5,000 and offered to send a Special Search and Rescue Team and five doctors Iran offered to send humanitarian aid and 20 million barrels of crude oil Japan chipped in a couple hundred grand but one dude, Takashi Endo, donated 1 million from his own funds. Columbia sent over 300 kilos of crack cocaine Mexico sent over 196 mexican troops though I hear only 70 or so went back Australia donated about 18 million in Aussie-bucks (not sure of the conversion factor) France sent us thousands of unused military rifles. I guess they figured that someone ought to use them Canada sent thousands of beds, blankets, surgical gloves and dressings and other medical supplies but I think they're still tied up in customs Anyway.. what was my point? Oh yea... even though a lot of countries and organizations are on the list, the level of aid was kind-of disappointing and many simply said that they had resources available if we asked for them. Ever little bit helps though. Oh yea... the German thing... They provided 25 tonnes of food rations, airlifting, vaccination, water purification, medical supplies including German air force hospital planes, emergency electrical power and pumping services. They sent 89 flood fighting specialists, a handful of medical personnel, 15 high performance pumps, 28 vehicles and offered financial support to those affected by the flooding. The only thing refused was a cargo plane of MREs that were not certified BSE-free so it was a medical issue, not political. poopieheads. Edited December 8, 2007 by k9sar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vsicks Pathy Posted December 8, 2007 Author Share Posted December 8, 2007 No...there has been very little political bashing of Canada. No country is perfect, nor do I believe "mine" is. There's plenty that's screwed up about Canada. If V6 wants to get into it, so be it. The ONLY thing that makes me see his point, at all, is the fact that the US makes the rest of the world THEIR business, even when it is not. The US is intrusive. So, the US's policies, while belonging to the US, do affect other countries FAR more than the policies of, let's say, Canada, or Australia, who tend to keep to themselves far more. Australia would be perfect if the Anglo Saxons left. But that isn't going to happen any time soon. We have the worst record of any country with regard to the amount of extinct species of animals and plants. How good is that? What can we do in the next 200 years? You have said what I have said, over and over, with regard to US policies affecting and infecting the whole of the world. Fortunately for us, Canada and Australia don't effect the world. Who knows, if our two countries were able to influence others the way that the US does, terrorism might be a much larger problem than the one created not just by the Bush regime, though he has sped up the process, but the whole US foreign policy in general. May I expand on your comment about The US making the rest of the world their business? Some people don't know the extent or the level of.... to put this nicely..... interference, undermining and ousting of elected Governments, supporting and even sponsoring state terrorism??...I seems that I can't put it nicely at all.. I posted this link some time ago. It might explain a few things if you take the time to look through it. It would, IMO, take a brave man to say he supports what has and is taking place in the name of the citizens of the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 Bush is the worst President in US history. No if but or maybes about it. just wait till this upcoming election. I'm packing my bags already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonianbrat Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 continue in this manner and there won't any mod interference.. if/when this disintigrates into name calling and such, then the hated edits come into play. Is this my Q to jump back in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88pathoffroad Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 After having just gone through four pages of posts in this thread at 40 posts per page, I get the idea that perhaps this thread has served it's original purpose. Now we've gone off on a tangent and started talking about miscellaneous other political stuff. Shall we simply turn this into a Vsicks PoHo thread? I HIGHLY doubt Jim would have let this go on as long as I have. He was much more of a stickler for family and Nissan-oriented chat as opposed to member-to-member political and world discussion/arguments. This thread does not strike me as family-friendly, humane discourse between members OR being Nissan-related. *homes in on the Lock button* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vsicks Pathy Posted December 9, 2007 Author Share Posted December 9, 2007 After having just gone through four pages of posts in this thread at 40 posts per page, I get the idea that perhaps this thread has served it's original purpose. Now we've gone off on a tangent and started talking about miscellaneous other political stuff. Shall we simply turn this into a Vsicks PoHo thread? I HIGHLY doubt Jim would have let this go on as long as I have. He was much more of a stickler for family and Nissan-oriented chat as opposed to member-to-member political and world discussion/arguments. This thread does not strike me as family-friendly, humane discourse between members OR being Nissan-related. *homes in on the Lock button* What is your problem 88? I doubt (and I have said this before) if anyone can give a hoot about what Jim would do. Most of the guys here wouldn't know who Jim is. Get over it and move on. So what if this "off topic" topic is not about a Pathfinder. It IS the off topic dection and last time I heard anything about off topic it was exactly that.... I put it to a vote to remove the "off topic" section remember. It is still here though, isn't it? Why? The childish banter and derogatory remarks have been removed by mature, vigilant mods, thus keeping it in line with the forum guidelines and your family friendly concerns. The thread is evolving, so what! Everyone is on there best behaviour, so what more do you want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vsicks Pathy Posted December 9, 2007 Author Share Posted December 9, 2007 oops... careful on the reference... the actual quote is "According to U.S. officials, more than 90 countries and organizations have offered nearly $1 billion in assistance to Katrina victims." a subtle difference but I sure you would want to have the correct information. While all good intentioned, there were obviously differences in the amount of assistance and if it was ever even received. Couple of examples: Romania offered 2 medical teams Luxembourg offered a team of five persons with a jeep and a couple thousand blankets China provided 5 million dollars and 104 tons of supplies including generators, tents and bed sheets Cuba offered to send 1,586 doctors and 26 tons of medicine but, get this, it was rejected by the State Dept. Hungary pledged $5,000 and offered to send a Special Search and Rescue Team and five doctors Iran offered to send humanitarian aid and 20 million barrels of crude oil Japan chipped in a couple hundred grand but one dude, Takashi Endo, donated 1 million from his own funds. Columbia sent over 300 kilos of crack cocaine Mexico sent over 196 mexican troops though I hear only 70 or so went back Australia donated about 18 million in Aussie-bucks (not sure of the conversion factor) France sent us thousands of unused military rifles. I guess they figured that someone ought to use them Canada sent thousands of beds, blankets, surgical gloves and dressings and other medical supplies but I think they're still tied up in customs Anyway.. what was my point? Oh yea... even though a lot of countries and organizations are on the list, the level of aid was kind-of disappointing and many simply said that they had resources available if we asked for them. Ever little bit helps though. Oh yea... the German thing... They provided 25 tonnes of food rations, airlifting, vaccination, water purification, medical supplies including German air force hospital planes, emergency electrical power and pumping services. They sent 89 flood fighting specialists, a handful of medical personnel, 15 high performance pumps, 28 vehicles and offered financial support to those affected by the flooding. The only thing refused was a cargo plane of MREs that were not certified BSE-free so it was a medical issue, not political. poopieheads. Your point is taken k9. But it is a far cry from the claim that no one helped. As for the level of aid and the money that was donated, yes, I agree it was a very poor showing. People in/and other countries tend to sit back, America being the richest and most technologically advanced country in the world and all. The offers of help were token offers at best. Had to world caught on that you couldn't or weren't able to cope, or had you guys asked for more help, I am certain you guys would have got what you needed, if not more. My old man used to say... The squeaky wheel gets the most grease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 Your point is taken k9. But it is a far cry from the claim that no one helped. agreed As for the level of aid and the money that was donated, yes, I agree it was a very poor showing. People in/and other countries tend to sit back, America being the richest and most technologically advanced country in the world and all. not sure if that's true as an absolute but I'm sure we're in the top 3 so it's close enough The offers of help were token offers at best. Had to world caught on that you couldn't or weren't able to cope, or had you guys asked for more help, I am certain you guys would have got what you needed, if not more. There were many major contributers of help. It is understood that some countries and/or organizations have their own issues to deal with and can't go dumping freely into other peoples. I even think that some offers were simply token as to not pissoff the US due to fear of whatever or perhaps lack of aid coming back to them (I forget the number of places we dump money and services to for similar issues outside the US) My old man used to say... The squeaky wheel gets the most grease. Agreed. One complaint I heard from the residents of the area when I was donating my time and such to rebuild homes was that the US is sending so much aid elsewhere (note that a lot of foreign aid is from non-government agencies but there is a lot of govt provided resources too), they should cease that and redirect that aid inernally. Then we get back into al the foreign policy bullcrap and open the bucket of worms again. As a country, we should be able to take care of ourselves but we choose to be helpful (yea, that can be argued too) to others. Here's a good question... who thinks the US should pull a China and build a big wall. then we kick out all the foreigners and those who don't want to hang around and just sit back and play by ourselves? We could at least build a northern wall and keep those 'nadians out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precise1 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Bush hasn't been the best pres. but he is a lot better than people give him credit for, I give him credit for being a crony-ist, powermongering, self centered, self serving a$$. You mean he is more than all that. Gads, it's more frightening than that!!! I HIGHLY doubt Jim would have let this go on as long as I have. He was much more of a stickler for family and Nissan-oriented chat as opposed to member-to-member political and world discussion/arguments. This thread does not strike me as family-friendly, humane discourse between members OR being Nissan-related. *homes in on the Lock button* I've got to say, 88. This site would not even exist, or certainly not to the level it does, if it were up to Jim. It's been a lot of work (and some $) from many people to keep it alive. (Thanks all, you know who you are) I have seen the evolution as to how it has changed over the years, what is enforced, what is allowed, what is expanded. It is NOT the NPORA of 2004. Nor is it worse for it, other than less serious technical discourse but then lets face it, other than extreme modifications, almost everthing that can be reasonably done to the WD21 has been discussed. Trouble shooting and guidance to old threads (hopefully with new additions) is the core that makes the site so valuable. This thread is one of the most 'friendly' political threads we have yet, although it didn't start as a political one. Perhaps people have learned, to some degree, to discuss or even argue their points without becoming childish? Disagreements of opinion are fine, healthy even, as long as it doesn't degenerate to insults and name calling. Opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one, and they often have the same value. An insult is like a drink, it can't effect you if you don't swallow it. Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean they are wrong. A little food for thought... just wait till this upcoming election. I'm packing my bags already. YES!!! B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vsicks Pathy Posted December 13, 2007 Author Share Posted December 13, 2007 I give him credit for being a crony-ist, powermongering, self centered, self serving a$$. You mean he is more than all that. Gads, it's more frightening than that!!!I've got to say, 88. This site would not even exist, or certainly not to the level it does, if it were up to Jim. It's been a lot of work (and some $) from many people to keep it alive. (Thanks all, you know who you are) I have seen the evolution as to how it has changed over the years, what is enforced, what is allowed, what is expanded. It is NOT the NPORA of 2004. Nor is it worse for it, other than less serious technical discourse but then lets face it, other than extreme modifications, almost everthing that can be reasonably done to the WD21 has been discussed. Trouble shooting and guidance to old threads (hopefully with new additions) is the core that makes the site so valuable. This thread is one of the most 'friendly' political threads we have yet, although it didn't start as a political one. Perhaps people have learned, to some degree, to discuss or even argue their points without becoming childish? Disagreements of opinion are fine, healthy even, as long as it doesn't degenerate to insults and name calling. Opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one, and they often have the same value. An insult is like a drink, it can't effect you if you don't swallow it. Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean they are wrong. A little food for thought... YES!!! B I tip my hat (that I don't wear) to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daftpup Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 I tip my hat (that I don't wear) to you. We now know it's not tin foil right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94extreme Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 We now know it's not tin foil right? no, because that's already implanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daftpup Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Implanted or implied.....oh well either way BWABHWEBBWB!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vsicks Pathy Posted December 14, 2007 Author Share Posted December 14, 2007 Is a pyramid a hat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94extreme Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 aha! square head, isn't it v6? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonianbrat Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 (edited) This thread is one of the most 'friendly' political threads we have yet, although it didn't start as a political one. Perhaps people have learned, to some degree, to discuss or even argue their points without becoming childish? Disagreements of opinion are fine, healthy even, as long as it doesn't degenerate to insults and name calling. This was quoted from Precise. Did you read it up until this thread got locked? It got down to some name calling. And yes I admit I was doing some of the name calling. I still do not think these types of posts belong here but that is just my opinion. If this is supposed to be "family friendly" then why do we allow these posts. You can not argue that a good majority of them end up in name calling. True people can chose to ignore the posts and I do alot of the time but I have always spoke my mind no BS if I dont like something or someone I will tell them always have always will. If this site has evolved since it started then it should not still be called NPORA. The reason this post pissed me off was over a picture of a kid with his leg blown off. Yeah that's "family friendly" Edited December 14, 2007 by zonianbrat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precise1 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Did you read it up until this thread got locked? It got down to some name calling. And yes I admit I was doing some of the name calling. Yes, sir. I have the dubious honor of having the 'deleted' threads visible and I read them all. Yes, there was some less than desirable content, but it was still This thread is one of the most 'friendly' political threads we have yet. Meaning, most have been worse. I respect that you don't think this type of content belongs here and so do others. Unfortunately, you are by far the minority. All I can recommend is that you ignore/avoid such threads, which isn't hard to do. I believe you can even set your user filter to ignore posts/threads from a particular user (V6 in this case, eh?). This would be a good cure, correct? If you insist on reading or posting, all I can say is keep a cool head and resist being goaded. B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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