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Ya, They're AC's crapola "adjusted angle UCA" BS... Adjusted about a half a degree if any.lol This is just a bandaid till I can do the SAS. I have to keep this thing drivable till then.

As for the tires... When it was shimmed out, and the upper balljoint was not broken the tire was level. Here's some pics of the camber after the spacers went in but BEFORE I took out the shims. After I took the shims(washers) out the camber was perfect on the drivers side and a little bit off on the passenger side with no shims at all.

I have broken about a dozen ball joints for my upper control arms. I finally decided to do something about it.(The joys of being a machinist) The main reason I was breaking them is because of the severe angle the lift I have puts them in. The ball rides on the edge of the socket instead of the middle. It was bad enough that the shaft was indented from hitting the body of the ball joint so much. Here is my fix that I made with the help of Mike at work. Along with the results. In this pic you can see the problem... I had to use 6 washers were to adjust the camber angle. It was shimmed almost 1inch. Now... Flat against the frame is perfect. (luck not calculations) What I used... Here's a before and after...

I've been having some problems with the truck and just kinda lost interest in the whole HHO thing. I still have all my stuff and I'm still planning to give it my best shot. Stay Tuned... PS: We made it thru Ike okay. Lost power for a while and had a helluva mess to clean up, but I got some good pics and videos. Check that thread for the pics. The video isn't online yet.

Right, My point is that there's nothing I can do about breathing air. There IS something "they" can do about fluoride in the public drinking water... Like STOP doing it if it's proven to be harmful... Especially if it's proven to be MOST harmful to the babies we are suppose to protect from stuff like this. It just doesn't add up.

I first found out about the dangers of fluoride from the hospital my 3 month premature twin daughters were born in. My wife couldn't produce enough breast milk it feed my daughter that survived, and after about 4 months in the hospital we were sent home with a heart/breathing monitor and STRICT instruction to not give our daughter formula mixed with tap water containing fluoride. They also told us not to feed her ANYTHING containing soy. I asked the doc what the big deal is with fluoride and was told flat out that it CAUSES bone cancer later in life when children ingest it. Then in 2006 the ADA posted a warning about fluoride.(My Daughter was born in 2001) Here's a little C/P from that warning. "Newborn babies have undeveloped brains, and exposure to fluoride, a suspected neurotoxin, should be avoided," notes Hardy Limeback, a member of a 2006 National Research Council panel on fluoride toxicity, and former President of the Canadian Association of Dental Research. Fluoride is linked with other health problems as well, including weakened bones, reduced thyroid activity, and possibly, bone cancer, according to a recent report from a team of Harvard scientists, the US National Research Council and other recent studies. Funny that the USA is one of the most technologically advanced countries and still one of the only holdouts continuing to knowingly poison it's citizens with the excuse of making our teeth healthier.(If they really want to help us out, they could easily add vitamins to our water.) They do however use fluoridated water in prisons around the world for it's stupefying effects to make the prisoners docile and non-combative. Greg, I did a little research on peppermint oil, and it seems to be about as harmful as most other extracts if taken in excess. How did the girl almost kill her grandmother with it? Funny thing is, I did a google search for "dangers of peppermint" and this was the second article in the search results. quikonnex.com/channel/item/16128 In that article they mainly talk about the dangers of sodium lauryl sulfate, but also hit on the fluoride issue as well. As for dieing from water, A woman in California died last year from a radio contest involving drinking massive amounts of water. She went home after the contest and died from water intoxication. www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16614865/

People being light hearted and joking about the subject is part of the problem. Instead of doing a little research on the subject, most would rather dismiss it by joking. Instead of joking why not just prove me wrong. Go eat a tube of fluoride based toothpaste and see what happens. Instead of calling poison control when the effects of the harmless tothpaste kick in, come back on here and make more jokes. Or why not just have your children brush their teeth with rat poison since it's literally the same main ingredient. Good luck, PS, When did being dumb about the products we use everyday become so popular?

That's good to hear, if only more sheepal would wake up and see the light. The only way to get fluoride out of tap water is via reverse osmosis. Pur, Brita, and other popular cheap filters leave the "beneficial fluoride"(their words) in on purpose. Don't even get me started on MOST toothpaste...

If they make medicine w/out side effects how do you expect them to make more $$$ when you need pills to treat your side effects? Hell you don't even need a doc to diagnose your problems,,, they have drug commercials flooding the airwaves for that. The USA is turning to sh!t fast. Main three causes AFAIC. Prescription Drugs Sodium Fluoride in the drinking water.(it's Rat Poison/industrial waste; do some research if you doubt it.) MSG's in EVERYTHING edible nowadays.

The blinds in my front window were messed up a year or so ago by my dogs. They were young and curious and kinda tore up the bottom a little one day. The next day I get a knock on my door, and it's some guy holding a clipboard. He informs me that my blinds are destroyed and in need of immediate replacement and proceeds to hand me a business card for a blind service. He was being rude and I had just got home from a bad day at work, so I tossed the card over his head and informed him that I had every intention of fixing the blinds. I then asked him, "Do you drive by my house every day looking for something to be wrong with it?" Him, "Pretty much." Me, "In that case I'm not going to fix the blinds, instead I'm going to leave them like that so every time you drive by my house you'll remember that I told you to go f*ck yourself." Then I took his clipboard and closed the door. I got a $50 fine and a $15 bill for the clipboard with a "Warning" about my behavior. I sent them a "Nice" note with an IOU. I still have the clipboard and the blinds are still messed up.

I don't know how I missed this, but WOW. I'm glad to hear you got him back legally. You're a bigger man than me. If I ever caught someone vandalizing or breaking into my rig; I hate to think of what I'd do. I'd most likely be the one in cuffs when the smoke cleared.

"The High Cost of Low Prices"... That's a video/documentary every walmart shopper NEEDS to see. BOYCOTT Walmart if you want to make a difference at all.

None yet, I need to get the new cell and electronics built and tested. For now I'm running a simple smacks booster(google for free plans) and it's definitely making my engine run quiet. As for gas mileage, I don't have any results to post. My speedo is not hooked up so I'd need to run a good distance with my GPS to check it. I think what I'm going to do instead is put a smacks booster in my wifes car w/out her knowledge and do a blind test. She's VERY anal about her mileage so she'll definitely report an increase or decrease.

You aren't looking for a mechanic, you're looking for a gigolo.

I installed the simple six plate cell into my pathy over the weekend. The cell is only making about .5 liters per minute(desired output is 1.5-2lpm) drawing around 20amps at the normal 13.5-14volts that the charging system supplies. I hooked up the cell downstream of the lowbeam relay so I could still turn it on/off from my seat w/out having to run a new set of wires and hook up a switch.(keep in mine this is totally temporary) I ran the gas(HHO) hose from the cell to a bubbler(mason jar) on the other side of the engine. The gas then goes into a vac. line from the bubbler. I ran it for the first time today on the way to work which is about 15mins away at 70ish mph. The only difference I could really notice was the engine was much quieter than it normally is.(keep in mind I'm only running a third of the recommended amount) Today I'm telling my boss(who wheels the X) and a co-worker about it today while driving us to lunch. Right about the time we're pulling in to park I'm telling them about how I set it up so I can turn it on/off via the headlight switch. I guess I was having a brain fart, because for some reason I inadvertently turned my lights on then got out and we went and ate lunch. So the whole time we were in there the cell was pumping out half a liter of gas a minute. When we got back out to the truck I tried to start it, but it was acting like the starter solenoid wasn't engaging. I tried a few more times and finally BOOM. Then HOLY SH!T WHAT WAS THAT!!! People came out of the restaurant to see what the hell that noise was also. I knew instantly what that noise was. Hydrogen explosion... So we get out to investigate and I'm still scratching my head as to HOW this happened until I saw the headlights on. Then I knew... What a freakin DA... When I popped the hood I figured I'd see pieces of broken mason jar all inside my engine compartment. Not the case. The glass held up great, but the TIGHTLY screwed on lid was blown off. After further investigation I concluded that it was a fire type explosion and not just pressure. The reason the bubbler was there in the first place is for safety. It actually did a great job of doing it's job and keeping the fire from reaching the cell. If it had gotten to the cell it most likely wouldn't have done too much damage since it's housed in sch40 PVC. I don't want to find out how bad that would be, but I assume I would at least lose my radiator in the blast. It did leave a nice solid reminder in my hood. Enough typing, time for the pics. Here's the cell. This is the bubbler with a F'ed up lid. Check out how it smashed the top of the ring against my hood. Here's the mark it left on the inside of the hood. Here's the outside of the hood. That dent has a nice ring to it. lol Well, I learned a thing or two with this happening. 1.Get an easy pop-off top bubbler. 2.Wire it so it only comes on when the ignition is on.

No real updates yet, I've been sick for the last couple of days. The cell I made in the video is suppose to be a joke compared to the real cell I'm making from the plans I bought. That cell was from some free instructions and looked really easy/cheap to make so I decided to do it first to see if I thought there was any need to go forward with the real plans since they are a bit expensive to follow since you have to buy a lot of 4" sch80 CPVC and electronics to control the electrodes. I measured the production of my first "plate" cell and I was getting about .5 liters per minute at 12volts and 20amps using 6 plates and having every other plate connected in series. Most people are shooting for 1.5-2lpm for the desired effect on fuel milage. The fancy one I'm building doesn't measure output in liters for some reason. They just tell you what (high)pressures it should operate at under certain engine rpms.(Which is suppose to be the reason for the sch80 CPVC)

A guy in the club is selling his two pathies. It'd be a long drive, but it's a hell of a deal. http://tnt4x4club.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=511 recent events forcing sale. '88, 4x4, auto, cold a/c, very straight body, new tires, runs, but motor knocks. '89 4x4, 5 sp, "okay" body, spray on undercoating from body line down, new 3" body lift installed, steering shaft needs to be put back on from lift, new street tires, runs fine, needs LCA bushings, but I have them. pic is before lift and undercoating. $1000.00 for both. Located in Arlington, Tx.

At some point in history the smartest people on Earth thought, (sorry) KNEW the Earth was flat... The smartest people on earth at some point in history KNEW that everything in the universe revolved around the Earth.... Just like right now the smartest people on Earth KNOW you can not achieve over unity....Even tho lots of people are doing it. You have to admit that you really don't know anything about the subject first hand. You are simply regurgitating stuff that you read that was most likely regurgitated from some other source. Which seems to be the main problem with the internet, and forums like these. Just like when someone reads up on how to change a CV or something then turns right around and starts giving advice to people on how to do the job before ever actually doing it yourself. Why? Maybe you genuinely want to help, but the fact of the matter is I find it pretty disrespectful that you post up the exact thing I specifically asked NOT to hear in my thread. As for changing driving habits... Unless you go from driving like a teenager who thinks he could qualify to drive for Nascar to driving like a 80yr old grandmother; you'll never get 25-60% increase in fuel mileage. I was waiting until some of these guys posted up MPG results, but here it is anyway... This is a link to the same guy from my first links new thread.(He made a new thread because of all the BS in the other thread.) I wheel with some of these guys and know a couple personally. Also note that a lot of the guys posting in that thread were sounding just like you in the previous thread, yet now that someone they know is showing that it definitely has an effect they've swallowed their pride and are now on board with the whole thing. http://www.lonestarjeepclub.org/board/showthread.php?t=22303 PS. Don't try the fuel line magnets... I already tried them a couple of years ago and they do not work.

The simple answer... She puts up with A LOT of my crap like this. Besides it's over 100degs in the garage when it cools down. I've seen a couple of those videos... My local Fox News station did a story on it a few months ago debunking all this stuff. It doesn't affect my opinion or views one way or the other since I understand that there are lots of people with lots of $$$ who want this buried. A lot of the people who HAVE got it to work end up using more than one cell. It does burn hotter, but one of the main problems is that gas absorbs a lot of the heat and w/out as much in the cylinder things do tend to get hotter just like when you lean out a carbed engine. The goal is to have the gas made on demand, storing it would defeat the purpose. Besides, I wouldn't want to be in a wreck with compressed hydrogen in the vehicle. That's why I don't carry my cutting torch with me, besides a wreck a slow leak in the cab would be BAD when you open the door and the dome light comes on. I'm really not trying to be rude here, but.... As I stated in a previous post, I've heard/read all that a thousand times from posted by people just like you who want to "seem smart" about something they read up on or learned in college. Bottom Line... When you finish trying it yourself and it doesn't work THEN go out into the internet and tell everyone it doesn't work based on YOUR experience. This is a good post by a fellow experimenter over on the Dallas Jeep Forums from the link on the first page. (quote from Luv-N-Mud)Originally Posted by Luv-N-Mud View Post Im curious if his gain are typical results or an exception. If they are typical, then, 10 tanks in my van would pay for it. Just seems like there would be a pretty big boom on these things if they worked as well as we are hearing. (quote from Chris) This thread is 9 pages, and 95% of it is mostly people yelling "snake oil" before I even have the thing built yet. That's why there is no "boom". That's why I've elected not to post anymore of my project info in this thread. I want the next thread to actually be nothing but technical info. This one can just continue to be the debate about whether it's "snake oil" or not. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- He hit the nail on the head with that post. 100% of the people I've seen who say it won't/can't work have not tried it themselves. I've had this offer on the table all this time and you all bitch about gas prices, yet I have not had one PM request for this info. If it doesn't work I may feel like a fool for trying it all out and wasting some $$$ in the process, but I KNOW people who are actively running these and are getting good results. I have plans from my kit to make a controller, but for $50 I may just buy one.

Here are a couple of videos showing what I've got so far. The first one is me testing everything for my first time.(make sure you see the 9v batteries effect at the end of the video.) This video is after a little more experimenting to show how volatile the gas is.(mainly it's just cool fireworks) I just wanted to let everyone know that I'm working on it and the offer still stands for others to test this with me.

Thanks, and thanks to everyone who voted for me.

If you are planning to pay up, and want to save your $$$ ask for community service. A lot of times the judge will be more lenient if they see you're WILLING to give up a couple of weekends helping clean up your community.

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Yep, I don't remember KILLVOX leaving. I guess he's been gone for over a year now. It's been at least that long since I've seen him post anything.