Barack Obama is the 44th President of the USA

[GrimGreg]

To be blunt...

 

If Obama does 10% of what he claimed / wants to do (and with the dems controlling the house and senate as well now it should happen) Then our country will come out a winner. Yes, just a mere 10%...

 

If he is successfull, unemployment will skyrocket allong with the number of preventable deaths from illness, allong with the cost of all fuels (especially since you won't be able to get coal anymore), oh and without coal most of us will be without power because he is anti-nuke and we have coal power plants. Buisnesses will have to lay people off (hence skyrocketing unemployment), to be able to afford to pay for energy use not to mention the inflated taxes placed appon them so that those not working can drive H2s (spread the wealth). Don't forget all those out of work coal miners too...

 

But, it's all gonna be OK, ya know why?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Because he's black (Hell, he's not even that, let alone anything else he claims.)

[Precise1]

Much of the information used to prevent future strikes came from captured documents etc during the invasion of Iraq.

 

And those documents are as valid as the nigerian yellow cake uranium threat?

 

If he is successfull, unemployment will skyrocket allong with the number of preventable deaths from illness, allong with the cost of all fuels (especially since you won't be able to get coal anymore), oh and without coal most of us will be without power because he is anti-nuke and we have coal power plants. Buisnesses will have to lay people off (hence skyrocketing unemployment), to be able to afford to pay for energy use not to mention the inflated taxes placed appon them so that those not working can drive H2s (spread the wealth). Don't forget all those out of work coal miners too...

 

Hey GG!!! LOOK!!! THE SHY IS FALLING!!!

If we survived 8 years of Bush and Co, We'll survive 4 yeas of Bama...

 

B

[k9sar]

at my age... I would welcome 8 years of bush.

[Simon]

at my age... I would welcome 8 years of bush.

[k9sar]

Twas the night before elections

And all through the town

Tempers were flaring

Emotions all up and down!

 

I, in my bathrobe

With a cat in my lap

Had cut off the TV

Tired of political crap.

 

When all of a sudden

There arose such a noise

I peered out of my window

Saw Obama and his boys

 

They had come for my wallet*

They wanted my pay*

To give to the others*

Who had not worked a day!*

 

He snatched up my money

And quick as a wink

Jumped back on his bandwagon

As I gagged from the stink

 

He then rallied his henchmen

Who were pulling his cart

I could tell they were out

To tear my country apart!

 

On Fannie, on Freddie,

On Biden and Ayers!

On Acorn, On Pelosi'

He screamed at the pairs!

 

They took off for his cause

And as he flew out of sight

I heard him laugh at the nation

Who wouldn't stand up and fight!

 

So I leave you to think

On this one final note-

IF YOU DONT WANT SOCIALISM

GET OUT AND VOTE!!!!

[GrimGreg]

http://www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr10-17-08.html

[laxman0324]

On Obama.....

 

Like it or not, the US is not an island. The US cannot sustain itself without imports and support of other countries. With that said, foreign policy is important. That was something the Shrub administration overlooked. This is where Obama, in my opinion, will excel. In repairing relations outside the US, he'll be able to better the lives of those residing within it. Negotiations will be far more favourable for the US if they're leader isn't stepping on everyone else's toes. Aid (when needed) will come in much faster, and with more backing, if the US shows a better tolerance and acceptance (as a country) for the rest of the world.

This is EXACTLY what i think that Obama will excel at as well as long as they take him seriously...

[Simon]

Wait a second here......has hell frozen over?

 

Ryan using a Christian Minister's word to prove his point?!?! WTF?!?!

[Precise1]

at my age... I would welcome 8 years of bush.

 

At your age... It would probably kill you.

 

B

[GrimGreg]

Wait a second here......has hell frozen over?

 

Ryan using a Christian Minister's word to prove his point?!?! WTF?!?!

 

 

Don't make me re-post "So Cold in the D"

 

So would it be President Tarzan now?

[Fukinitupagain]

He seems to have the same charisma and intelligence as Kennedy and Clinton, and should curb the world's view that your country is run by a dumb redneck (Bush)

 

It's funny you mention those 2 Simon, because Kennedy was not a good President (in fact he was extremely weak) and the only thing he did of importance, besides get assassinated & f*ck Marilyn Monroe, was the Bay of Pigs & if you know your American history (Canadians are excused) then already know how that turned out. Just because he had a nice smile, good personality & he was shot in the head does not mean that he was worth a crap as President of the United States.

 

And Clinton? During Clinton's administration his welfare “reforms” put more tax strains on the people (and is actually part of the reason why we are where we are as far as the economy goes) than since WWII, Osama Bin Laden bombed the twins towers, but was unsuccessful in bringing them down & he allowed Muslim extremists in Africa to bomb an American Embassy & killing innocent American & African citizens 7 government officials without any demands for the heads people responsible or for any justice in these 2 incidents, but because he got a BJ in his office by a chubby intern & lied to us with a smile & "charisma" we didn't care that he allowed these threats & dangerous groups of people to our country to keep going on, thrive & even attack again.

 

Look I'm not a Bush fan either, but to act like these inept presidents are anything more than good public speakers is a joke. I don't care for Obama's socialistic ideals, but I hope he does well for the country (even though he's never had any executive experience & was only the Senate for 120 days before he started to campaign for the Presidency).

 

Bottom line, if you don't like America's policies or presidents or government or people, then don't live here. I personally could give 2 sh!ts what the rest of the world thinks of us. We spend more in foreign aid to other countries than we spend for the people in this country, not to mention the fact that anytime some other country is crying because they have some f*ckin natural disaster or civil war or starving people who does the world turn to, to bail them out? But whenever sh!t hits the fan here, all the other countries sit back, just waiting for us to fall off the horse.

[Simon]

To be honest, I know little of Kennedy's policies, as he was before my time.

 

To blame Clinton for the US's economy is absurd. The fact of the matter is, that the US government has wasted BILLIONS of dollars of taxpayers money on BS wars.

 

Your statement "If you don't like America's Policies or presidents or government or people, then don't live here" is SO nearsighted it's unbelieveable, and is the same mentality that has given the US a bad reputation around the globe. The second part of the statement is a big part of that as well.

 

You speak of aid as if it never comes the US's way.....was there not aid sent in the wake of 9/11? Was there not aid sent in the wake of Katrina? Yes, the US helps many countries, as they should, they have the means to do so.

[Precise1]

Yes, the US helps many countries, as they should, they have the means to do so.

Personally, I'd just as soon have lower taxes...

 

B

[laxman0324]

Personally, I'd just as soon have lower taxes...

 

B

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[Simon]

Personally, I'd just as soon have lower taxes...

 

B

Selfish. Again, see my points regarding foreign policy.

[Fukinitupagain]

Ok let me ask you this. How do you expect our government to actually make money?

Not off of the backs of the people. That’s not how it was supposed to be & that’s not how you “make money.” We don't charge import taxes on goods & items that come from other countries as long as their "home office" is here in the states. If you treat them like imports then that’s millions of dollars in taxes right there. Also if tax items that are purchased by the consumers in this country, which would allow income taxes, state & federal, to be eliminated. Businesses are not successful by charging people to work there & then producing no product (that’s essentially what happens with income taxes).

 

In our country you are rewarded for not working & making very little but if you work hard & are successful & make money then you are punished. It's almost like living in the projects again, meaning: you get more respect coming out of jail then you do graduating college.

 

Oh & FYI, the printed money that you suggested just “making more of” isn’t actual money, it’s only little pieces of paper with ink on them that represent gold that is stored away. Gold is still the only real currency, not pieces of paper & ink or silver coated pieces of bronze

[Fukinitupagain]

To be honest, I know little of Kennedy's policies, as he was before my time.

 

To blame Clinton for the US's economy is absurd. The fact of the matter is, that the US government has wasted BILLIONS of dollars of taxpayers money on BS wars.

 

Your statement "If you don't like America's Policies or presidents or government or people, then don't live here" is SO nearsighted it's unbelieveable, and is the same mentality that has given the US a bad reputation around the globe. The second part of the statement is a big part of that as well.

 

You speak of aid as if it never comes the US's way.....was there not aid sent in the wake of 9/11? Was there not aid sent in the wake of Katrina? Yes, the US helps many countries, as they should, they have the means to do so.

First off, I didn't say that Clinton was the reason, I said that he was one of the reasons. There are many & yes whatever you want to think, the fact is his tax polices & as well as a number of other policies he pushed through, are part of the blame.

 

Second as far as being nearsighted, I don't care to live anywhere else in the world & I know that we, America, could sustain ourselves without foreign help if we had to, so I could care less about what other countries think. Frank Sinatra was either extremely hated or passionately loved by people, he sold more records than most people ever dream about & made money than most moguls do in a lifetime but the most impressive fact is that the entire way he did not care what people thought of him nor did he have the time to waste on those that wanted nothing to do with him. He simply went out there & did his thing & never formed to the popular thought or trends or music of the time.

 

As far as war mongering goes, I've not mentioned anything specifically about war. I don't believe in the Iraq war. I think that we should have stayed in Afghanistan & Pakistan & finished the job, because they were the ones who attacked us. I could care less about genocide happening in Iraq or the way Saddam bullied other countries around him. I think it's a waste of my tax dollars & American lives to be in Iraq when we should be eliminating Alquida (spelling?) in the previously mentioned countries. I don't believe in starting sh!t, but I believe in finishing it. You punch me in the face, I'll rip your head off.

[Precise1]

Selfish.

 

Well Simon, this is the point where I know you are not being rational. You do not even remotely know me well enough to make such a statement. Do you give to charities? I do...

 

As for my tax dollars being used for foreign aid, yes, I approve when it is for food, medicine, education, etc. Then there are other things I do not approve of. Simply foror example, Israel. We aid them significantly. Why? They are a first world country, a nookleer country to boot. What have the people of Israel ever done for me that they deserve some of my hard earned $?? Stop it, I say.

 

As for the wanting lower taxes, yes. I am in one of the worst tax situations there is. I make enough $ that I am heavily taxed, yet not enough where I can tax shelter much of it. I have 0 tax write offs and can not yet even afford a mortgage where I live to at least write off the interest. I am tax screwed!!

 

A few years ago I was unemployed for 1/2 the year without unemployment insurance, so I made 1/2 my 'normal' wage. The year before (worked all year at the same hourly rate) I received essentially no $ back at the end of the tax year; it was a wash. The year that I made 1/2 as much, I received more than 1/2 of my tax payment back. I did the math and calculated that someone who made 1/2 of my income only paid 21-22% of the amount of taxes that I did.

 

Let me say that again. I pay almost 5x the amount of taxes of someone that I make 2x more $ than. And then the government squanders some of it? Gives it away? WTF??

 

I won't go into the flat tax I dearly wish to see applied, but I suggest you do not call me selfish lest I must then call you stupid.

 

B

[Kittamaru]

Agreed on the tax issue... the "upper range" needs to be bumped up a few notches.

 

And a max income needs to be levied on athletes... they do NOT need to make 4.6 million a years... cap it at, say, 250k a year and I think they'd be fine. They MIGHT have to give up the drug habits though.

[GrimGreg]

What is funny, the USA is one of the only countries that CAN survive without trade. Yes we might need to reopen some closed factories to do so, but is that a bad thing? Most of the steel we make is exported, most of our crops we grow are exported, etc, etc. Most of what we import are consumer goods that are American raw materials converted, assembled, and packaged and sent back as Barbie dolls, Hot Wheels and TVs. Sony and Zenith both used to have large TV factories in So. Cal., think we really need to import them? Just re-employ people and build them there again.

 

Then we get the. "what about oil"...the one thing we import that we really don't need to, we have enough in places under our control (Alaska...) that we don't need any from the damn Arabs.

[Fukinitupagain]

So holy sh!t, you guys are pretty well in line with what I said before about being selfsufficent & not relying on anyone... nice. I say we cut ourselves off from everyone else, since apparently we are no good & everyone hates us anyhow, & every other country can take care of themselves & we'll just worry about ourselves & see who comes out on top.

 

Hey GG, we have a ton of off-shore rigs here off the coast of NC too, no need to go after it only in Alaska (even though that's why we bought it off the Ruskies)

 

As far as the goverment using tax dollars to send aid even in the form of food & medicine I am against. If you don't want to give to chaity, which is what that is in essence, you should be forced to. I don't think that people should be forced to "give to charities" under the point of a gun, which is essentially what happens when tax dollars are used because if you don't what to help in the AID of a certin country & refuse to pay your taxes you go to jail.

[Precise1]

As far as the goverment using tax dollars to send aid even in the form of food & medicine I am against. If you don't want to give to charity, which is what that is in essence, you should NOTbe forced to.

 

Fixed that for you.

 

Fair enough and I understand that view, But 29 billion (foreign aid amount from 2007) divided by 100 million Americans (the $ makers) still only equals $290 a year. While I don't agree that people should HAVE TO pay that, my argument is that I won't miss the $.80 a day that keeps many people from starving or dying nastily from disease. Is a bag of cheeto's really that worth it? I've seen really poor people before and would feel really pathetic if I didn't do my token part to help ease it. Unfortunately, some of it exists here in the US and we either ignore it or just hand out 50x that much to people without expecting them to get their own arses in gear and start dealing with things like most of us do.

 

My anger comes from 'selling' F16's to our 'allies' for much less than the cost of production, supporting foreign leaders (Sadam H was one, do your homework), buying $400 toilet seats and other such stupidity.

 

B

[Kittamaru]

My issue is this:

 

We give SO MUCH MONEY in aid supplies and cash...

 

Yet only one country really adled up to help us when we needed it... the UK. Our LONGEST STANDING ALLIES PERIOD.

 

And even then, their general populace aren't happy with us.

[fondo]

Call me a conspiratorial fringe wing nut but I'm pretty damn certain 9/11 was an inside job... On a lighter note, I am happy that Obama won and hope he can live up to his word. It will be interesting to see if democracy still prevails over corporate greed and injustice over the course of the next 4 years. If nothing really changes on the grand scale under obama... Well, I believe this country is finished.

[Simon]

Well Simon, this is the point where I know you are not being rational. You do not even remotely know me well enough to make such a statement. Do you give to charities? I do...

 

As for my tax dollars being used for foreign aid, yes, I approve when it is for food, medicine, education, etc. Then there are other things I do not approve of. Simply foror example, Israel. We aid them significantly. Why? They are a first world country, a nookleer country to boot. What have the people of Israel ever done for me that they deserve some of my hard earned $?? Stop it, I say.

 

As for the wanting lower taxes, yes. I am in one of the worst tax situations there is. I make enough $ that I am heavily taxed, yet not enough where I can tax shelter much of it. I have 0 tax write offs and can not yet even afford a mortgage where I live to at least write off the interest. I am tax screwed!!

 

A few years ago I was unemployed for 1/2 the year without unemployment insurance, so I made 1/2 my 'normal' wage. The year before (worked all year at the same hourly rate) I received essentially no $ back at the end of the tax year; it was a wash. The year that I made 1/2 as much, I received more than 1/2 of my tax payment back. I did the math and calculated that someone who made 1/2 of my income only paid 21-22% of the amount of taxes that I did.

 

Let me say that again. I pay almost 5x the amount of taxes of someone that I make 2x more $ than. And then the government squanders some of it? Gives it away? WTF??

 

I won't go into the flat tax I dearly wish to see applied, but I suggest you do not call me selfish lest I must then call you stupid.

 

B

Fair enough. With your explanation, it's a different story. I had taken your comment above to say that you'd rather the tax break than to help the needy. I see your point now, and yeah, I'd be pissed as well. No offense intended.

Edited November 6, 2008 by Simon