k9sar Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 well.. ya learn somthing new every day. I was under the impression that it was not much of an insulator other than to prevent direct flame contact without burning away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precise1 Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 Is this still going on ?? I once saw a hanglider pilot trip while trying to take off, it was a pretty funny crash. Then there was the time my kite lost it's tail... B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 My son picked up a ThunderJet at the dollar store. While it did actually hit the side of my house, it did not burst into flames etc. I simply fixed the broken styrafoam with some adhesive tape and she was good to fly again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94extreme Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 Something else to think about when looking for pieces, this is a photo of the plane that hit in PA, it hit earth, in the middle of a feild...just a few small pieces left, nothing recognisable as anything. We know exactly what happened on that plane thanks to all the people on their cell phones. the quality has really taken a major dive at boeing. these two "planes" are the first in aviation history to completely disintegrate upon impact. wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 (edited) dude... it's in the middle of a field... there are lots of 'parts' visable even though they are not 'recognizable'. The assumption must be made then, that these parts are from the plane (unless there was a stray volvo out there). sheesh! and I guess this rotor element found inside the pentagon was someone's paperweight. Edited May 2, 2006 by k9sar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 and I gues this rim from a commercial aircraft (yes, it has a double rim and matches the cutout pattern of a 757) was used as a coffeetable in a pentagon conference room Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94extreme Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 so a plance is made of only one piece? where are the thousands of other pieces. both places man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vengeful Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 No man...don't you know, they attached those to the missile to make it look like a plane... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 The size of debris from a jetliner crash is highly dependent on the nature of the crash. Whereas a plane that skids and bounces on the ground will likely survive in one or more large pieces, one that flies directly into the ground or a building will not. I have no idea where people get off saying that there was no debris when photos of the crash scene clearly show that the area is scattered with small pieces that are most likely the remains of the wingtips and stabalizer that did not enter the building and the amount of debris from inside the building was never disclosed completely. I guess no planes hit the WTC cause there was no fuselage laying on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 Crashes of aircraft into buildings are rare, so it is difficult to find crash photographs from which to draw conclusions about the kind of debris such crashes typically leave. However, a recent crash of a military transport plane is instructive. On December 5, 2005, a C-130 -- a plane similar in size to a Boeing 757 -- crashed into an apartment building in Azari, Iran while attempting to make an emergency landing at a nearby airport. Photographs of the crash scene show no large pieces of aircraft debris. If the absence of large visible debris on the Pentagon's lawn from the crash of a 757 is surprising, then the absence of large debris at the Azari crash scene should be more surprising, because: 1. The Pentagon crash pictured holes in the facade large enough to admit into the building the entire aircraft except the outermost wing and tail sections. Photographs of the Azari crash show no puctures of similar size in the apartment building. 2. The Pentagon attack plane was flying at over 500 mph, according to the ASCE's report. That is much faster than the landing speed of any aircraft. At its lower crash speed, there was much less energy to break up the C-130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 another pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 Crashes that leave large pieces of debris are typically those where the plane skidded or bouncing... not flying directly into a wall or the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94extreme Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 really, i have seen plenty of plane crashes (pictures) into mountain sides and there were many, many pieces. btw. according to venge the plane that hit the pentagram also hopped and skipped on its merry way to it's destiantion. hmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 and did not come to rest on it's own. Travelling at over 500mph, even a skipping piece of metal has problems when it hits a concrete wall. but there was no debris in the D-ring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 and no debris with rivet hole patterns (which I'm sure is common construction in a concrete building) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 and no debris hanging from the ceilings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 and no debris strewn on the floor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94extreme Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 ok, you convinced me. i am sure those are pictures of AA planes and i am sure they were piloted by osama himself. sorry to disturb your guys' nice little dreams. ciao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 and no debris which bears an uncanny resemblence to the diffuser section of a jet engine compressor (not to mention the yellow primed fuselage pieve with those pesky rivet patterns again) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 and no debris around the C-ring (looks like landing gear components to me. Didn't know they put those on missiles) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vengeful Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 according to venge the plane that hit the pentagram also hopped and skipped on its merry way to it's destiantion. hmmm. Reread each one of my posts very carefully. I never once said it hopped and skipped. DON'T put words in my mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 (edited) and no debris at the C-ring punchout area (see if you can spot the ring of 8 holes in the fuselage piece which is believed to match a 757 just below the cockpit window) Edited May 2, 2006 by k9sar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 and another shot which is where they found the wheel hub at C-ring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 but I wasn't there. Dan was. Based on his account (and I have no reason to believe that he would lie) along with lots of other evidence both photographic and eyewitness (and I've worked with many who work in and around the pentagon)... I am drawing my own conclusions. Feel free to draw your own but don't go making blatently false statements like no pics of it nor was there any evidence of a plane there. so who knows. just a nice clean, big hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precise1 Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 But didn't they find a sandal, some sand, a camels hump and the VIN tag from a Checker Marathon at the crash site in Pa ??? B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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