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Hey guys,

I'm looking for someone who feels like making some of these slider plates for a fee.

these are what kiwi pete and some of his buddy's are running down in NZ to reduce the upward travel of the TRE/centerlink, and therefore reduce stress on these parts, which is especially important after a suspension lift.

i'm about to do a suspension lift soon, and until i get a Grassroots centerlink, i'd like to run these things. i dont have a welder (yet), and i dont know anyone who welds, so i'm hoping there will be someone on here that feels like making a few bucks doing some fabrication. i'm sure there might be other people interested in these things. if anyone else is interested in slider plates, let us know, and then if we can find someone to make these it will be more worthwhile for them, and they can make more $$.

here's some pics:

 

Sliderplate3.jpg

 

IMG_9580.jpg

 

Sliderplate1.jpg

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My idler used to strike my frame too.

Probem one; don't run a moog idler

solution two; run oe style idle WITH idler brace.

 

Ultimate solution; run a dummy steering box instead of an idler. theres not flexing the 1" shaft of the stering box, the arm would fail first.

I Have the dummy box paired with a HOOHAA and I love it.

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HAHA! Jesus Ryan.... How long was this project? Trogdor636 didn't even suggest to PM you until 9:20pm and then you have photos posted of the finished product 2 hours 5 minutes later. Freaking miracle man. Too funny! :rofl::aok:

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No, He sent the measurements... have to drill the frame.

 

Not sure there are any holes in the area that would work. If any of my vehicles still had IFS :scratchhead: .

 

i am guessing the bolts go all the way through the frame holes you would drill out then with a nut and lock washer on the other side?

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Hey guys,

I'm looking for someone who feels like making some of these slider plates for a fee.

these are what kiwi pete and some of his buddy's are running down in NZ to reduce the upward travel of the TRE/centerlink, and therefore reduce stress on these parts, which is especially important after a suspension lift.

i'm about to do a suspension lift soon, and until i get a Grassroots centerlink, i'd like to run these things. i dont have a welder (yet), and i dont know anyone who welds, so i'm hoping there will be someone on here that feels like making a few bucks doing some fabrication. i'm sure there might be other people interested in these things. if anyone else is interested in slider plates, let us know, and then if we can find someone to make these it will be more worthwhile for them, and they can make more $$.

here's some pics:

 

Sliderplate3.jpg

 

IMG_9580.jpg

 

Sliderplate1.jpg

 

Wondering if anyone has pics of the modified grassroots centerlink??

 

Cheers

Sam

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Wondering if anyone has pics of the modified grassroots centerlink??

 

Cheers

Sam

 

They look pretty much the same as a regular centerlink, except the ball-joints have been replaced by spherical bearings. Then you just bolt them onto the idler and pitman arms. There are pictures on the grassroots site (click the small pics):

 

http://www.grassroots4x4.com/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=3&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1&vmcchk=1&Itemid=1

 

Spherical bearings:

http://www.google.ca/search?gcx=w&q=spherical+bearings&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1220&bih=683&sei=tn7NTozELsmsiQL8_ZW8Cw

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MY1PATH, what do you mean by dummy steering box? I second the vote pics.

 

I believe he means that instead of having a flimsy idler arm, he has a whole other steering box (like the one connected to the steering wheel) on the other side of the truck. It acts like a mega beefy idler arm.

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They look pretty much the same as a regular centerlink, except the ball-joints have been replaced by spherical bearings. Then you just bolt them onto the idler and pitman arms. There are pictures on the grassroots site (click the small pics):

 

http://www.grassroots4x4.com/index.php?

page=shop.browse&category_id=3&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1&vmcchk=1&Itemid=1

 

Spherical bearings:

http://www.google.ca/search?gcx=w&q=spherical+bearings&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1220&bih=683&sei=tn7NTozELsmsiQL8_ZW8Cw

 

Awesome so to save time I'd be able to source the correct size bearings and take the bar to a machinist shop and they be able to machine the center bar to fit te bearings?

 

Thanks

Sam

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Awesome so to save time I'd be able to source the correct size bearings and take the bar to a machinist shop and they be able to machine the center bar to fit te bearings?

 

Thanks

Sam

 

There's probably a little bit more to it than just choosing the right size, but yeah, you could do the mod on your own I guess. Pressing in spherical bearings and seating them properly (sometimes needs a special tool) might not be entirely trivial though. I'm not sure what grassroots does exactly.

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I copied this from another forum, it was originally called the TK1 mod. I think this is what hoohaa (grassroots) is doing but I could be wrong. I personally would just get the grassroots one cuz my fab skills to do something of this nature and do it correct are lacking. Here you go:

 

 

 

This was copied from N4w I believe...written BY TK1

 

OK here's the deal.

 

Parts required:

 

2x 5/8 bore ss rod end bearing teflon lined

McMastercarr P/N 63215K38.

 

2x 5/8 I.D. spherical(tapered)washer male half

McMastercarr P/N 91131A080.

 

1x 5/8 x 4" grade 8 bolt, lock washer and castle nut.

 

Assortment of 5/8 spacers.

 

cotter pins.

 

1.) Grind or Machine the weld off of the top until you see a line indicating where the parts separate.

 

2.) Tap the bushing pin with a hammer until it pops out. If you have to hit it too hard you need to grind more.

 

3.) Bore one side .500 inch deep to .001 inch less than the O.D. of the bearing. the bearings I used are 1.1875 O.D. (you will need the bearings before you start machining)

 

4.) Bore the other side .500 inch deep to .001 inch less than the O.D. of the bearing. this should leave a shelf in the middle approx .250 thick.

 

5.) After you bore both sides you'll be left with the afore mentioned shelf. the hole in the shelf is approxamatly .722 inch in diameter, this needs to be bored to 1.000 inch.

 

6.) You will need some 5/8 in spacers. these are like washers but have a smaller O.D. I got mine at Lowes. you need to stack a couple to get about .125 inch thickness.

 

7.) Put your bearings in the freezer for a few hours.

 

8.) Take one bearing and put it in your centerlink. Make sure it goes in strait, it should slide right in. When the bearing and the centerlink come to the same temp the bearing will be press fit.

 

9.) Put the bolt through the bearing and put your spacers over the bolt so that they are in the middle where the shelf is.

 

10.) Put the other bearing in.

 

11.) You will need to drill the mounting hole in your idler arm out to 5/8.

 

12.) Connect the centerlink to the idler arm using a 5/8 x 4" grade 8 bolt. Place one of the tapered washers on the bolt with the flat side facing the bolt head. The bolt in from the top. Place another tapered washer on the other side with the flat side facing the idler arm. slide the bolt through the idler arm and put a lock washer and castle nut on.

 

13.) drill the bolt for a cotter pin when you know the location that it needs to be.

 

DISCLAIMER

 

The maching requires a boring head and a mill to do, also it must be properly centered and square. Unless you have the proper equipment and machining knowledge let a machinist do it for you.

 

You are responsible for you own vehicle modifications and subsequent consequences. This modification is working fantastic on my vehicle but I take no responsibilty for how it performs on yours

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Yeah a big thing would also be getting the bearing with the taper to suit the ball joint..

 

I'm not sure if there is a bearing in that side... I think they just replace the two ball joints that are a permanent part of the centerlink and leave the tapered holes alone. But I'm not sure.

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To answer a few of the questions above: MY1PATH has a gutted 2wd HB steering box and pitman arm in place of the stock steering idler. You can do a double steering box setup with a stock or HooHaa CL. The second steering box is just a bomb-proof idler arm. There's a thread here somewhere, I think it's called "Double Steering Box Mod" or something like that. Search should find it.

 

The HooHaa/Grassroots center links are modified stock ones. He cuts both ball joints off the CL, welds on machined housings, and presses two spherical bearings into each. This is the same as the old "TK1 mod" except he does both sides so they share the twisting force. This reduces the strain on the idler arm to some degree. To install one you have to drill out your pitman and idler arms to 5/8". Then 5/8" bolts go through the bearings and the arms with locking nuts on top. As far as I've heard nobody has ever killed a HooHaa CL.

 

At the very least every Pathy that goes off road even occasionally needs a steering idler brace. CLs wear out but they don't generally bend, break, or otherwise catastrophically fail. When the idler fails you suddenly have no steering and this is not a bandaid-able thing you can fix on the trail unless you carry a spare! (I do) I've been running the AC idler brace for several years and it has done it's job well.

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