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K, thanks 88. You're saying that I should find TDC on #1 and reset my dizzy eh. I'll do that tomorrow morning. Do you think it should fire if I get it set properly? Can the timing be off so bad that it wont fire.

uncc, I found the problem with the starter. The wire going to the plug had been damaged somehow, I think by the power steering pump when I moved it out of the way to get the motor out. I cut/stripped/connected and shrink tubed it, and it turns over now, but it wont start. Battery is good, I hooked up a charger and put it to the "start" setting, still wont start. It turns over, but wont start. I don't have any special tools to check things, like a volt meter or anything so this could be fun. And like I said earlier, the dizzy has been out, and put back in... but could and probably was installed incorrectly.

I don't believe I crossed the fuel lines, I labeled everything before I took the old motor out. But, I guess it's possible, eh? This is pretty interesting, but I'm somewhat glad it's happening... Learning from my mistakes. Tackling this swap and having the Pathy live once again will be a really good feeling. Especially with my experience consisting of putting in new rear shocks, changing rear control arm bushings. and an oil change.

Yep, everything (to my knowledge) is hooked up, battery is brand new. I would assume that the carbon canister is somewhat important... It seems like a pretty important part of the vaccum system, but I don't know if it would prevent starting.

Heh.. Everything is hooked up minus two lines to the carbon canister, and a couple manifold ground straps (which apparently don't need to be there anyway to have it run).

My buddy who pulled the dizzy seems to think that the spark timing is wayy off, and that's why it wont start. Is this possible? And should I go out and try to find TDC on cylinder 1, and reinstall the dizzy?

Disregard what I said about the TBI... I'm unsure about that.... haha I'm just killing time waiting for people to come online and help me get my Pathy running haha.

The circular mounted top air filter is for the VG30i engines, throttle body injection (TBI), I believe. From 86.5-89.

The carbon canister isn't hooked up... I'm not sure if that really matters? I don't know... I need to know where all three ports on the canister go, I know that one (the largest) goes to a small hose underneath the intake plenum, near the front of the motor (next to a hose that goes into the intake assembly). I'm unsure of where the other two hoses go... Thanks brother, for deleting my engine pics off the digi cam to make room for a wet t-shirt contest.....

K, well I found why the starter wouldn't turn.... The wire for the plug had somehow been damaged, so I cut, stripped connected and shrink wrapped it, and the starter turns now. The motor turns over now, but it wont start. Like it's not getting fuel or something. I did change my plugs and wires, and the dizzy DID come out. Should I prime the lines or something? Take the fuel lines off and turn the key to pump fuel through them? I have some fuel stabilizer too, should I use some?

Heh, okay. Thanks for the words of encouragement. I really want this beast running. While I'm waiting for my second wind, I should go out into the shop and set up with my .22cal pellet gun and wait for those damn rats that pissed all over my floor and doors inside... (my pass. side front window is down.... the power window cable wont wrap properly.)

Andrew, that looks like moss and some twigs.

Ah for fricks sake. I give up for a while. Son of a beach. Pathy can sit out there alone while pack rats run all over it and piss on it. I've had enough of that thing for a while.

I don't remember ever putting that fuse back in.. If I remember correctly it's in the bottom of a mud hole 50 miles up in the bush. I'll go check though. Man, this is annoying me haha. I just want my Pathy back

This is already driving me insane. I had no problems whatsoever starting it before the swap... I've only had trouble starting it once, this was when I flicked the valet switch alot to make the alarm chirp and somehow activated an immobilizer or something.. wouldn't start unless I pulled the alarm fuse. Bye bye remote locks. I don't know what to do guys, but thanks alot for the help so far. I knew this swap was too much to tackle alone, haha. I did it, but now I've got a damn wiring gremlin or something. Fudge!

Nope, no start problems before the swap. I dont understand why the starter would start spinning if the cable hit the other post... I'm about to light the shop on fire so I can get another Pathy. Feels like it has to be something with the starter, since it wont spin when I turn the key. Maybe something wrong with the post? Maybe a wire to the starter has gone kaput?

I dont have a volt meter, unfortunately But, I disconneted the cable from the starter, and it was touching the other post when I connected the battery again, and it started spinning. What the heck?

I dono, I just glanced down and looked. I'm sure it's a little lower now, I can see that I left the dome light on... hah...

Oh my god. Uncc, come over. Remember when you said you wish you could work on a truck with a flat of beer... Your time has come. I'll go back out tomorrow and try to see what the fruitbat is going on. The starter relay is the one in your pic, yes, uncc? There's a blue male plug just sitting there by the battery tray, right where your relay is, but there's also a relay against the fender that's got a plug in it... Hmmm.

My starter has a little rubber grommet that sticks out about 3/4", near the front of the starter (towards the front of the vehicle), on the bottom. This grommet has a hole in it, it's almost conical shape, but there's no wire in it or anything. Could it be a different starter than everoyne elses, and this could be the problem? I don't remember any wire in this hole but I could be mistaken.

The black one with yellow stripe goes from the (-) batt to the body, to the block, right next to the p.side exhaust manifold, correct? For some reason I keep thinking there must be three wires that go to the starter. The post, the plug, and one more (that I don't have but looks like should be there).... I don't know.. I'm just super bummed out that I put this much work into the swap, to not have it run. Should have known this was going to happen...

Looks like I'm gonna have to pull my starter, and take a pic with my webcam for you (no digi cam). I have a feeling something is wrong with my starter. I really don't want to pull it... I just put my new oil filter on, and put oil in my engine... son of a beetch.

I'm so fricking lost, this isn't even funny. Thanks for the effort uncc. I don't know what the hell I'm going to do, but I keep wondering about the wire that's not on the starter anymore. It must be a switch wire from the ignition that tells the starter to turn? The starter has the wire going to the post, and the plug right now.

The battery is good, I had it charging all night and she's sitting around 11 volts. "Relay", mzxtreme?

Okay, so what should I do, uncc?