TerranoNZ Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 (edited) After seeing a few members talking about building motors and using a VG33 block, I thought I'd start a thread on it. Lets see if we can help each other Not too long ago I bought this VG33 and started stripping it. I noticed that the water pump has a longer snout...No biggie. Stuck the VG30 water pump on...doesn't fit. Oil pump is different, and the crank has a fatter snout than the VG30. Because I need to run all the VG30 pulley's What I hope to do is use the VG30 crank. Also if you plan on using a VG30 oil pump you will need to use the VG30 oil pickup. I'm checking at the moment if there is a difference in oil gallery's between engines, as the VG33 doesn't have (what looks like to me) a relief valve like this pic of a VG30. Found out that this part is part # 15241-40F00 Valve Assy-Regu" and will fit Thanks to VG powered forum. I plan on using the #2 offroad cams from Nismo USA, TBC on pistons and valves, get the bottom end balanced, 60mm TB with matched MAF from a 2L turbo Skyline and some other bits. Link's I've found so far: Cheap conrods (Though I need to replace the bushes for smaller ones) http://www.raceeng.com/p-8999-h-beam-rodnissan-vg30-set.aspx I did see a site that said "We sonar tested a VG30 block and it's thick enough for the VG33 pistons", then I found this http://www.automotivehelper.com/topic81371.htm What I think are cheap VG33 Pistons, rings and clip set $173.28US. Great guy to deal with. http://www.store.partsdinosaur.com/page203.html 5523Pathfinder found this one http://www.allnissans.com/showthread.php?t=3674 Cam specs http://www.redz31.com/pages/caminfo.html More info to come, but at the moment My heads and block are at the engine builders, Pistons, oil pump and conrods have arrived thanks to Redpath88 and I'm broke Let the fun begin Edited August 31, 2008 by TerranoNZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostPath Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Stupid question, why do you "need" to run the VG30's pulleys? The only thing you can't get/make conversion pulleys for is the AC compressor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerranoNZ Posted February 16, 2008 Author Share Posted February 16, 2008 Stupid question, why do you "need" to run the VG30's pulleys? The only thing you can't get/make conversion pulleys for is the AC compressor. I would like to bet good money that the VG33 pulley's have different alignment to the VG30 ones. So that would mean changing P/S and alt mounting I'm guessing. The biggest reason is the lack of VG33's in these parts. So I'm taking the easiest way for me As for "stupid question" don't know if you've heard this saying "Simple people have simple solutions" Basically meaning someone that doesn't know much can come up with a great idea I know I have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostPath Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 The only thing you can't convert is the AC compressor. Everything else is a simple job for the machine shop boys. Alternately, you could just get all the VG33 accessories and use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkorahil Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 VERY interested to se how this progresses. I almost took a replaced VG33 home from work a few weeks ago thinking along these lines.....but talked myself out of 'another project' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerranoNZ Posted February 23, 2008 Author Share Posted February 23, 2008 (edited) Forgot to post some pics of the tear down....Found some nasty surprises Took the water pump off Sludge. The left bank of pistons had this wear on them..Engine builder said is was most probably fuel wash. However new pistons are here (Thanks to a top bloke) Edited April 7, 2008 by TerranoNZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuong Nguyen Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 ooh that doesn't look so good. Are the cylinder walls scored any? On the case with the water pump, I thought the VG30 water pump would fit on it unless there was a change between early model VG30Es. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerranoNZ Posted February 23, 2008 Author Share Posted February 23, 2008 ooh that doesn't look so good. Are the cylinder walls scored any? On the case with the water pump, I thought the VG30 water pump would fit on it unless there was a change between early model VG30Es. I happend to have a VG30 (4WD) water pump lying around, sat it on....No, the VG33 oil pump sits up higher. Bore's are a little scored, but will hone out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuong Nguyen Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 So the VG30 pump doesn't fit on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88pathoffroad Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 Tex: here's the guy to talk to about VG33 stuff. He sells assembled performance VG34 engines out of Texas, USA. http://vgpowered.com/forum/profile.php?mod...rofile&u=24 Here's his website. http://www.300-plus.com/products.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laxman0324 Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 Sorry to threadjack, but what is a VG34? Could it work in my 97 if I have problems? Again sorry Tex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerranoNZ Posted February 23, 2008 Author Share Posted February 23, 2008 So the VG30 pump doesn't fit on it? Here's a pic of the 2 water pumps. The one at the bottom is the VG33 one. Both oil pumps mate up to the water pumps, so the extra bit on the VG30 water pump gets in the road. Cheers Aaron Laxman: IIRC a VG34 is a VG33 that has been bored out, either to .060 over size or bigger different pistons (I can't remember) No problem bud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuong Nguyen Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 VG33 bored to fit Q45 pistons = VG34. I talked to Chuck from 300+ and he said he was swamped with stuff to do so he wouldn't be able to get one built for me in time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittamaru Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 What is the displacement difference on the VG33 or VG34 compared to a VG30E engine? And what's the HP/Torque gains? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88pathoffroad Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Um, VG30E = 3.0L VG34 = 3.4L The VG30 was rated at 154 HP, the VG33 is rated at 180 HP, dunno about the VG34... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerranoNZ Posted April 17, 2008 Author Share Posted April 17, 2008 (edited) Little update Pistons and oil pump turned up from USA THANKS TO REDPATH88 Then I sent them and my valves to get TBC I just got them back today Edited April 17, 2008 by TerranoNZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88pathoffroad Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 IIRC, you have to have the pistons notched to clear the valves... You might want to check into that before putting heads on and whatnot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammyb33 Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 to me the piston already looks dished....but im no expert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerranoNZ Posted April 18, 2008 Author Share Posted April 18, 2008 to me the piston already looks dished....but im no expert That's because it is I will check the heights though Aaron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Pickles Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Pistons and oil pump turned up from USA THANKS TO REDPATH88 Sweet, we'll keep him around for a while yet then... Looks like things are coming together for you! BTW, what do you mean by TBC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerranoNZ Posted April 18, 2008 Author Share Posted April 18, 2008 Use yer mouse bud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02silverpathy Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Thermal Barrier Coating...it looks like this is a cermaic coating, but I can't find how much it helps heat transfer, only how much to have it done....sheesh $230 US to have 6 pistings done and $14 each valve. I would say from the pricing that this must do some serious heat shed!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerranoNZ Posted April 19, 2008 Author Share Posted April 19, 2008 Wow that's abit steep I got mine done for $168NZ (Set of pistons) and $144NZ (For all valves) Normally you guys get stuff cheaper Probably no part of an engine undergoes greater thermal shock than pistons and valves. Yet this has no effect on the bonding properties of HPC’s TBC which has the same coefficient of expansion as aluminium. Particles are bonded with an inorganic binder which is unaffected by petroleum products. With a bond strength of 10,000 psi, this coating’s non-porous ceramic matrix improves flame travel and combustion efficiency as well as reduces oil temperature and prevents carbon buildup. HPC’s TBC process also prevents excessive heat from reaching the piston rings reducing radial tension loss due to the ring overheating. TBC applied to the combustion face of the valve prevents overheating of the exhaust valve and heat transfer from the intake valve to incoming cool air and fuel, thus providing a denser air/fuel charge. The process works equally well on both two-cycle and four-cycle pistons, is applicable to new and used parts and is repeatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY1PATH Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 Any updates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerranoNZ Posted August 29, 2008 Author Share Posted August 29, 2008 Any updates? That's just spooky My conrods just arrived today from Scott Now I'll drop them and my pistons off to the engine builders to get balanced...I think I'm getting a bit carried away with this build I want it to last though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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