SteeevO Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 i got the calmini steering installed but now... it hits the front sway bar when turning all the way to one side ... it pissed me off.... any sugestions besides removing it??...cause i already removed it but now i hate how much it sways... it was ok with the back on off but now the front too....there is no way.. that is outta control ... if anyone has suggestions please let me know thnks -Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88pathoffroad Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Have you got the tie rods adjusted right? I haven't heard of any swaybar problems, it shouldn't interfere with it. FWIW, I've heard that the tie rod adjusters get kinda wacky when you get the alignment right...one is all the way out, one is all the way in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patzx300 Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 You did not assemble the cross rod and tie rods upside down in the idler and pitman arms did you? Do you have a pic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteeevO Posted January 29, 2006 Author Share Posted January 29, 2006 Somepics of how it is now.. i took off the sway bar.... it adjuster would hit when the wheel is turned most of the way to one side... the rancho stablizer bracket on the center link would also hit it.. here is a pic from a long time ago but with the stablizer bar in place and b4 the 3" lift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaritimeMan Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 SteeevO, I had the exact same problem and I tried a couple thing to remedy it to no avail. I tried lengthining the sway bar bolts as well as shorting, an either it rubbed or put the bushings on the bolts at crazy angles. I just took the bar off, and really haven't noticed too much of a difference. Now that I have a body lift on as well, there is some body roll, but not enough to make me worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteeevO Posted January 29, 2006 Author Share Posted January 29, 2006 (edited) diving on the freeway w/o the bar is suicide.. this car is my daily driver so.. basically.. i need that batr there.. maybe i'll but the back one back in to stablize it a little more... i hope someone can come up with a solution.. i'm going to call calmini tomorrowto see what they say. but please everyone chime in with your ideas. i am also starting to wonder if the stock steering did the same thing.. the calmini stuff looks at the same angle and all.... Edited January 29, 2006 by SteeevO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vsicks Pathy Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 diving on the freeway w/o the bar is suicide.. this car is my daily driver so.. basically.. If that's the case then alot of people on this board, as well as others, should be dead. For most people their Pathies are daily drivers. Adjust you driving style to suit the little bit of extra boby roll you might get. Do not swerve heavily when you change lanes on the freeway. Do it how the law says you must; ease into the next lane. It is not a racing car after all. Given how far you have your TB's cranked, I am supprised you even noticed to sway bar missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimGreg Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 The last pic shows the problem, the end links are too long. The collar (spacer) on mine were about 1 1/2", those in that pic look like almost 3". I removed both front and rears, I like the gentle roll on corners better than the snap back afterward with the sways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88pathoffroad Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 diving on the freeway w/o the bar is suicide.. this car is my daily driver so.. basically.. i need that batr there.. maybe i'll but the back one back in to stablize it a little more... i hope someone can come up with a solution.. i'm going to call calmini tomorrowto see what they say. but please everyone chime in with your ideas. i am also starting to wonder if the stock steering did the same thing.. the calmini stuff looks at the same angle and all.... #1, it's not a car. It's a truck. Drive it as such. It weighs just over four thousand pounds. No car since the 70's has weighed that much. Is it any wonder it sways when you have no swaybars? #2, Calmini's not known for their problem-free designs. You oughta see how many people with XTerras and Frontiers are having terrible problems with their steering kits. The idler arm bushings wear out and then Calmini makes everybody buy new ones, only to have them get sloppy again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vsicks Pathy Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 #1, it's not a car. It's a truck. Drive it as such. It weighs just over four thousand pounds. No car since the 70's has weighed that much. Is it any wonder it sways when you have no swaybars? #2, Calmini's not known for their problem-free designs. You oughta see how many people with XTerras and Frontiers are having terrible problems with their steering kits. The idler arm bushings wear out and then Calmini makes everybody buy new ones, only to have them get sloppy again... You need a truck licence to drive a truck. If it is driven with a car licence it can't be a truck. I have a truck licence so know the difference between a truck and a car. Besides that, my car is regestered as a wagon, no mention of it being a truck and no sign of the excess in rego fees that are associated with owning a truck anywhere to be seen. Having said that, it was flouted awhile back, and still comes up from time to time, that drivers of 4wds should have a special licence to drive on the road. As to why, I don't know. I think it was supposed to stop people backing over small kids. That was kicked in the arse when it was prooved that normal sedans are just as hard to see out of the rear. Some were in fact harder to see out of. At least you agree that it isn't a racing car and should not be driven like one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filthy Luker Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 I am quite certain that there are many cars that are heavier than 4000lbs... Audi A6s for example... But to really make you wonder, the car on this picture is heavier than a 4x4 WD21 Pathfinder. Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 Spyder PS.. My friend has one so I got to drive it with the top down and everything... BADASS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vsicks Pathy Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 There are plenty of examples... the 300zx. The (au) Ford Falcon and Fairlanes would wiegh close to if not over as would the Commodores. The Pathfinder is not what you'd call a large car by any stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteeevO Posted January 30, 2006 Author Share Posted January 30, 2006 i called calmini thismorning. they have not heard of this problem but they said to put the sway bar back on and e-mail them pics.. when i take those pics i'll post them here also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patzx300 Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 This is a wild guess but maybe the sleeves on your sway bar ends are for a 2 wheel drive setup, you may need the 4wd sleeves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vsicks Pathy Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 Have you had the front end aligned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteeevO Posted January 31, 2006 Author Share Posted January 31, 2006 i have looked at the 4WD Parts Pathy that i have and it has the same sway bar and everything on it.. and yes i had it aligned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheel366 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Read this: Calmini Steering on Project Pathfinder We had to shorten our sway bar end links a little to clear the relocated tie rods to prevent contact when bottoming out the suspension. This was really no big deal. We also welded the bracket of our Rancho steering stabilizer to the centerlink because it was so fat the original clamps would not fit anymore. We tig welded this part and it was quite simple. Be sure and grease the idler arm and tie rod ends with a extreme pressure molly grease before driving. After the installation we took Project Pathfinder to Westend Alignment to have them work their magic on the suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteeevO Posted February 1, 2006 Author Share Posted February 1, 2006 (edited) thanks!! i'll have to do that but that does not look like the stock sway bar.. who makes a aftermarket one? the one in the picture looks like it is shaped slightly different. never mind i just found it's nismo one... looks like i'm ordering it today... however it confusing... nismo swaybar what is it that i need from the original?? i'm lost Edited February 1, 2006 by SteeevO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filthy Luker Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Won't the NISMO bar be stiffer and limit yer off road performance? Also you linked us to a Steering Stabiliser and not Sway Bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteeevO Posted February 1, 2006 Author Share Posted February 1, 2006 ha oops i'll fix that ... i guess it will limit offroad performance.. i'll just have to take it off when i'm getting ready for a big weekend... but really whats the difference between having a solid axle and having a stiff swaybar in terms if being able to flex?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vsicks Pathy Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 but really whats the difference between having a solid axle and having a stiff swaybar in terms if being able to flex?? So your rear end doesn't flex then? -thnkboutit- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteeevO Posted February 2, 2006 Author Share Posted February 2, 2006 no no no i know it does i'm just saying that if a sway bar limits flexing then y can a solid axle flex so well?? maybe i'm not making sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheel366 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 I could be wrong, but it may be a different kind of flex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Okay guys here's how it works.... A solid axle is attached to the frame with arms, and in our case, a panhard rod.......basically none of these parts truly reduce flex. They're all parts just to keep the axle under your truck......1 end to the frame, the other to the axle. Sway bars are linked in a 2 places on the axle, and 1 place on either side of the frame. 1 single bar, linked in 4 places. These links allow a small amount of play in the bar, for suspension travel, but due to being attached to the frame on either end, and the axle in the middle.......they don't allow the type of flex that is desireable off road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLApathy Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 triangulated 2 link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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