Trainman Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 (edited) A bit of a rant, don’t mind me. :X As can be seen from my signature, I have a 02 Pathfinder with the AllMode transfer case. For those who do not know, this system gives 4 “modes”: 2WD, AUTO, 4WD high (locked) and 4WD low (locked). The AUTO mode is essentially AWD, as it shifts power back and forth as the computer deems best for traction. The nice thing about this system is it has the best of all 4WD systems, you can chose just 2WD and save some fuel and mechanical wear and tear; you can choose the AWD mode (very nice this time of year); and when the going gets tough, the system can be locked into 4WD high or low range. Why o Why does Nissan only offer this system on the top of the line Pathfinder for 2005? My Pathy was the bottom of the line model in 02 and it was available then. And why not in the Xterra at all? Yes, it is available on the Xtrail, but that is not a suitable vehicle for my line of work (and the Xtrail version does not have the 4WD low range, only high). (Xtrail is a Nissan SUV not available in the US) I think Nissan is missing a great market by not having this excellent system more widely available. I know when it comes time to replace my Pathy, I will be looking for something with a similar system and right now it would not be a Nissan. Edited January 16, 2006 by Trainman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94extreme Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 would be nice wouldn't it? you're just not the target customer trainman. most pathys and xterras are for hauling kids to futbol and gettin' groceries. that's the short of it. i was wondering however, what you mean by "locked" because i know it's not locked. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainman Posted November 16, 2005 Author Share Posted November 16, 2005 i was wondering however, what you mean by "locked" because i know it's not locked. thanks :o My error in using the word “locked” when talking about a transfer case. It can be "locked" into 4WD high or low range, meaning that the power is distributed 50/50 front/rear regardless of traction. Works like a locked differential only at the transfer case. This is what happens in the Pathy’s standard transfer case when you move the lever to 4WD high or low (and most other true 4WD systems vs AWD). In the AUTO mode, the power is shifted front to rear as the computer senses a loss of traction (slipping) at one end. It then shifts power to the end with traction. Works like a LSD, only at the transfer case. Regardless of the mode, what each axle does with the power it gets depends on the type of differential it has: open, LSD or locked. Maybe this is were I am confusing people. When I say “locked” in reference to the transfer case, I am not talking about the differentials on the axles, only the power coming out of the transfer case output shafts. Rather long winded explanation with lots of redundancy but does it make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filthy Luker Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 I think it may have something to do that the Xterra is seen as a tough off road vehicle (even though the new ones are a pure joke). Proper 2WD, 4HI, 4LO transfer cases are much better when wheeling than ones with differentials and electronic gadgetry. Also you don't need a tough transfer case to conquer speedbumps at a local mall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runnerman Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 I totally agree with you Trainman! I think it all comes down to money. Nissan should charge a tad more if you want that option on any of there models of SUV's. I know my wifes R50 has that Auto mode and it's a great feature I do wish my X( joke to LUke ) had that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filthy Luker Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 my X( joke to LUke ) Something about exploding front differentials on 2005 vehicles doesn't sit right with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 Something about exploding front differentials on 2005 vehicles doesn't sit right with me. Better than the exploding transfer case on Heep Liberty's!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filthy Luker Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 Better than the exploding transfer case on Heep Liberty's!!! Not really. That Liberty in the famous video made contact on the t-case. My friend's '05 Fronty didn't come into any contact with anything and his front diff exploded this weekend. Just your ordinary stress fracture. This is what you get for putting SMALLER DIFF, and ALUMINUM instead of STEEL housing on a truck with more power and larger tires. WTF way to go Nissan. pssd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 Wow.....that is pretty special!!! I wonder if you can fit a dif from an older pathy, or X in there, instead of that. The difs in ours seem pretty durable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filthy Luker Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 The issues are that the new diffs are R180 (18cm ring gear) and the old ones are R200 (20cm ring gears) also the gear ratios will be all different as the '05s run something like 3.xxx and we get 4.3-4.9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 Ahh......that's not good. I wonder if Nissan will ever catch on, and do something to remedy the issue...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filthy Luker Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 They'll probably catch on but the probablity of those trucks being taken off road is so small that they won't care. Trust me, Nissan didn't soccer-momize the new generation for nothing. :oops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 True again. I guess owners of the X and Frontier will have to hope for some aftermarket company to remedy the issue. Oh well, at least their aftermarket is better than the Pathfinder one!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filthy Luker Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 (edited) http://www.puresuzuki.com/anvil_axle.htm Calmini builds this to fix an identical problem on the Sidekicks. But people wheel those.... sly Edited November 16, 2005 by Filthy Luker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 http://www.puresuzuki.com/anvil_axle.htm Calmini builds this to fix an identical problem on the Sidekicks. But people wheel those.... sly Well, evidently, people wheel '05 Frontiers too!!! Maybe Calmini will step up to the plate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94extreme Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 I think it may have something to do that the Xterra is seen as a tough off road vehicle (even though the new ones are a pure joke). Proper 2WD, 4HI, 4LO transfer cases are much better when wheeling than ones with differentials and electronic gadgetry. Also you don't need a tough transfer case to conquer speedbumps at a local mall. 05 X is way better then you think. i wheeled with one here not long ago and it was simply amasing.. and he never even used the rear locker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filthy Luker Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 05 X is way better then you think. i wheeled with one here not long ago and it was simply amasing.. and he never even used the rear locker. I've wheeled with one and I wasn't impressed. He had to keep the locker on to go over stuff i had no issues with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezzy Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 was it the truck, or the driver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94extreme Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 lol. that's what i am saying.. the driver needs to learn how to drive his machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC88Pathy Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 Hmm don't the Nismo 05 Fronty's have larger locking diffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filthy Luker Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 Hmm don't the Nismo 05 Fronty's have larger locking diffs? No. The new '05s have a D44 rear axle some of which have a electronic diff locker. The D44s are not as strong as the good old H233s that used to be in most of Nissans up to now. The front diffs got smaller and weaker as I posted above as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runnerman Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 Well I saw the pics of the Stress Cracks and I have to say WOW!! What was Nissan thinking of putting a Aluminum Diff in the Front End? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94extreme Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 i am almost certain that my pathy has an alluminum cased front diff also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runnerman Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 94 pathy's don't have that. You know this went alittle off topic but I do think that it is more important kinda haha When they started making them in the US I knew they would cheap on something didn't think they would go that far though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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