Slick Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 (edited) ok, I am completely lost now... I spoke to Trail Master who made my 4" SL, as I am in need of changing my torsion bars, they do not make, and have never seen my t-bars before I bought King over 7 years ago with the lift already installed, and assumed they were part of the TM lift. I hvae emailed Jim Conner Racing as a last resort to see if perhaps this is one of his products from his Nissan Off Road racing days, but if ANYONE has ANY idea of where I can get more, do let me know. Although the tube is splined to the torsion bar, I am 95% positive the t-bar is NOT removable from the tube. Here are some pics of them Edited August 28, 2011 by Slick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sewebster Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 What is wrong with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY1PATH Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 (edited) Those are not JCR bars. The JCR bars have a second set of adjusters the bolt to the frame. They are actually to sets of bars end to end. One set is a low spring rate and when it turns to its max the second set progressively increases your bottom out resistance. I do see 2 sets of adjusters and the tube more than likely providing the higher spring rate but I do not know what they are. It also looks like you can still install regular T-bars if you want to. Obviously you loose the dual rate spring but you'd still be able to wheel it. If I still had my files from the crash I would show you a picture of the JCR set-up. Edited August 28, 2011 by MY1PATH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Posted August 28, 2011 Author Share Posted August 28, 2011 What is wrong with them? they're 13 yrs old and shagged out. Those are not JCR bars. The JCR bars have a second set of adjusters the bolt to the frame. They are actually to sets of bars end to end. One set is a low spring rate and when it turns to its max the second set progressively increases your bottom out resistance. I do see 2 sets of adjusters and the tube more than likely providing the higher spring rate but I do not know what they are. It also looks like you can still install regular T-bars if you want to. Obviously you loose the dual rate spring but you'd still be able to wheel it. If I still had my files from the crash I would show you a picture of the JCR set-up. here is the reply I got from JCR this morning; Rachel, Yes, we made the two stage bars many years ago. I sold that company some time ago and I am not aware of anyone doing that any longer. I would be glad to help you if I could. Jim C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahardb0dy Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 (edited) I agree, they are not JCR 2 stage torsion bars, I had a set in my Hardbody, the JCR bars look like regular bars except they had a second set of splines on them with a block of metal that had a allen bolt screwed into it that engaged the bracket you bolted to one of the cross members. The only torsion bars I have seen that look like yours were made for Toyota's. The one's for the Toyota's used a sleeve (like yours) to engage the secondary splines. JCR and Nissan Motorsports were the only company's back than I know of that sold the 2 stage bars for the Nissan. Think they were all made by Sway A Way. hard to see but here is a pic of the JCR 2 stage bars the one's in the center: I spent about 2 hours searching the web for the torsion bars you have, I have seen them before, thought they may have been the same style Downey off-road made for the Toyota but I checked their old website using the internet time machine, Downey has closed shop 2009 I think, also checked on the NWOR (another Toyota site) and calmini site now and way back no one had that style bar, really aggravating because I've seen that style before, even dragged out an old Sway a Way catalog I have and they only list single stage bars. The sleeve on your torsion bars does come off the bar, they may not come off easily but they are not part of the bar. Edited August 28, 2011 by ahardb0dy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamzan Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 What is wrong with those bars? Can you not just re-key or index or whatever. I did that to mine the other day, brought my old stock bars with 200k miles back to life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahardb0dy Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 The bars will wear out eventually, you can re-index all you want but they eventually will not hold the amount of height you crank into them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Posted August 29, 2011 Author Share Posted August 29, 2011 The torsion bars are are 13 years old and bent. They have had the sheit beat out of them from all the wheeling I do, and they need to be replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahardb0dy Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Well I guess you'll be getting some single stage bars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Posted August 29, 2011 Author Share Posted August 29, 2011 (edited) Well I guess you'll be getting some single stage bars i am ordering some sway aways and praying to hell that these t bars come apart without anything getting damaged. *edit* the tubes are fine, besides their mount brackets being squished as a pancake, the tube itself is in great shape, it's my driver side t-bar i flopped on a rock and bent. Edited August 29, 2011 by Slick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahardb0dy Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 There probably is some type of "C ring" that holds the outer tube to the inner bar, but you really don't have to worry about the old bars coming apart, since you are replacing them, just support the truck/a-arm properly and cut the old bars in half, that is if you can't get the outer sleeve off the old bars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJSquirrel Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Its time to call up SteveO and put that H233B SAS kit in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY1PATH Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 There probably is some type of "C ring" that holds the outer tube to the inner bar, but you really don't have to worry about the old bars coming apart, since you are replacing them, just support the truck/a-arm properly and cut the old bars in half, that is if you can't get the outer sleeve off the old bars. I WOULD NOT CUT A PRELOADED TORSION BAR. If you are going to cut them back the adjuster all the way off first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahardb0dy Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Whoops !! Sorry forgot to mention that !! Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Posted August 29, 2011 Author Share Posted August 29, 2011 Lmao dave! Trust me, if I had the money together i would be ll over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nunya Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Its time to call up SteveO and put that H233B SAS kit in ^that! (and yes I have other motives as to why I agree ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahardb0dy Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Put my truck in to, let's get a group deal going!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Posted August 30, 2011 Author Share Posted August 30, 2011 ^that! (and yes I have other motives as to why I agree ) you just want my lift i may text steven later today n see what kinda deal he'd cut me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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