tyrhine Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 ok so after I put my new UCA's and cranked new tbars up my tires sit like \----/ is that a ball joint issue? and is a camber ajdustment hard? or is this a bigger issue then a simple camber ajdustment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedPath88 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 That's one of the known issues with AC Arms, difficulty getting the alignment correct because that do not compensate for ball joint angles. By your "\---/" description, it looks like the tops of the tires lean outward. So shims behind the upper control arms (between them and the frame) need to be removed. You can do it yourself to get it "close" or just let a shop do it during an alignment job. Firestone's Lifetime Alignment is my recommendation, you can find info on it in the "Product reviews" section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrhine Posted March 30, 2009 Author Share Posted March 30, 2009 hmm ok! yeah so those little shims can effect the camber that much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedPath88 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Combined with the angles not being corrected. You have double checked that everything is installed correctly and is tight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimGreg Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 with some lift arms, if you don't lift enough they will sit like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrhine Posted March 31, 2009 Author Share Posted March 31, 2009 (edited) yeah my front end doesn't look even from the rear looks like its a good inch lower. so I wonder if I crank those up a little to see if that goes away. I'll check everything make sure its tights and if that doesn't work I'll check the shims. one more thing, what does the idler arm do? didn't have time to get that in, would that have anything to do with it? and if not what does it do Edited March 31, 2009 by tyrhine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY1PATH Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 (edited) one more thing, what does the idler arm do? didn't have time to get that in, would that have anything to do with it? and if not what does it do No it will not help or harm your current alignment problem the idler arm stands opposite of your pitman arm (from the steering box) It makes sure your passenger wheel turns just as much as the driver wheel when you turn the wheel. The Idler arm Brace re-enforces this arm so it does not bend, twist or shear when forces of the offroad (or pothole) try to make one wheel do something differant. Edited March 31, 2009 by MY1PATH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrhine Posted March 31, 2009 Author Share Posted March 31, 2009 (edited) Ok so I crank'd my tbars up more which made the prob worse. Then I looked at the bumb stops and my uca's are on them. So ill drop the front end till those. Come off the bumb stops. I hope that should fix the camber Edited March 31, 2009 by tyrhine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY1PATH Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 x2 on take the alignment shims out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headpeace Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 get low profile bumpstops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrhine Posted April 3, 2009 Author Share Posted April 3, 2009 ok so I took it to firestone to see what they could do. they fix'd the aliment as best they could. but to fix the camber they had to lower the front end to basicly stock hight. so I need to check those shims but I only remember their being only 1 shim on each side. there is also this place call'd eastside trucks I might take it too, to see if they could find out whats going on, because I must be missing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedPath88 Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 Firestone would have... or should have consdered the shims in what they did do. Did you have an "alignment" done or did they just do an eyeball job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrhine Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 (edited) they said they couldn't do the alignment because they thought it had frame damage, but they couldn't find it... so they drop'd the tbars all the way and did a eye ball job. the camber is fix'd because the tbars are drop'd to stock hight. so whever I go up with the tbars the camber goes \---/ and its a pain. I'll have to double check to see if they did anything with those shims. I didn't see any frame damage what so ever when I was down there. and it drives fine when the tbars are down so I don't think there is any frame damage I'll take it to a body shop to see if they can find something I guess Edited April 4, 2009 by tyrhine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headpeace Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 correct me if I'm wrong, didn't you get AC UCA's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrhine Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 correct me if I'm wrong, didn't you get AC UCA's? yea I think so I got this lift https://www.4x4parts.com/catalog/product_in...;products_id=64 but yea I think they are called ac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedPath88 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Yep they are... AC is short for Automotive Customizers, aka 4x4parts.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrhine Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 ohh I see, then yes I guess they are ac controll arms haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5523Pathfinder Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 So you put in new torsion bars? I think you need to reindex them if thats the case. That will give you the lift and bring your camber in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrhine Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 everytime I try and lift it the camber gets worse. I---I is when the the uca's are like 3 inches off the bumb stops. and /--\ when its like a a half to 1 inch off the bumb stops. and I think there is only 1 shim on my right control arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5523Pathfinder Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Im cambered in with mine. I'm off my lower bump stops about 1 inch. When the front suspension compresses, the top of the tire cambers out then comes back. Thats why I thoght maybe you got the torsion bars misindexed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrhine Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 Im cambered in with mine. I'm off my lower bump stops about 1 inch. When the front suspension compresses, the top of the tire cambers out then comes back. Thats why I thoght maybe you got the torsion bars misindexed. hmm what do you mean by misindexed? heh still kinda new Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5523Pathfinder Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Ok, did you install new torsion bars? If you did, when you took the old ones out, you need to have the suspension unloaded, and the adjusters at full droop. As ;you tighten, you get your lift. I got this wrong the first time by 2 teeth on the torsion bars. I figured this out as I was just hammering on the adjuster bolts. I reindexed them and everything got much easier. Noticed I went too high, then lowered the bars a touch. BAM, got the alignment within spec, cambered in a bit, but Im comfortable with it. If your cant adjust your bars correctly, you will have all kinds of issues with getting the suspension set up correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrhine Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 yeah when I took it firestone they lowered the tbars a but to fix the camber. so its like the higher I go, the worse the camber gets. so right now the camber it good and drives fine, but it looks like a clown car because my back is higher by like 2 inches. so I just don't understand when ever I tighten my tbars my cambe gets f'd hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5523Pathfinder Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 So the higher you go, the camber goes positive(top of the tire goes out)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrhine Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 yep the higher I go the tops of the tire sticks out like \---/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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