Z_Pilot Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 My throw-out bearing is telling me that it is ready to go. I am now shopping for clutches. I am currently only street-driving my pathy, however, things may change in the future. I may drive her in the sand if I move to Hawaii, or if I move back out west, I may be driving on snowpack often with a snowmobile trailer. I am also considering L&P's supercharger if it becomes a reality. ...So, do I need a super-duper clutch or will OEM be fine...with the extra power I might have with the supercharger? Options>> From AC: Centerforce I Centerforce II Centerforce Dual Friction or: Exedy Clutch Kit on eBay note: this exedy kit includes the t\o bearing and pilot bearing or: would a Z31 (300zx) clutch fit? Is the dual-friction clutch really 3 time better (and more $) than a regular clutch? What is the tranny fluid grade? 5 quarts, right? Thanks for your opinions.... Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precise1 Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 I just put in an OE clutch... They last 100k with some abuse, I don't see needing anything more... If you have 50 more HP, tow large trailers and ride the clutch, aftermarket performance may help... Yes, 5 qts of GL-4 ONLY !!! 75w-90 or comprable synthetic... B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 I'm not sure a Centerforce DF would be good for off roading or, as in my case towing. The other Centerforces or Excedy should work well. Which, depends on how much you want to spend. I suggest getting a complete kit as well as have the flywheel turned. I don't believe one for the 300zx will fit (different flywheel from what I've found) and even if it did, it's designed for a vehicle half as heavy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94extreme Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 GL-4 only!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z_Pilot Posted January 9, 2006 Author Share Posted January 9, 2006 OK...5 quarts of GL-4... anyone else use the Centerforce or Exedy clutches? Thanks, Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj big shoe Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 When the shop put my trans in I had them install an Exedy clutch I bought off Ebay and it's holding up quite well after two years or so of mostly street abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z_Pilot Posted January 9, 2006 Author Share Posted January 9, 2006 (edited) GL-4 only!!!! All the same, right? Improve the efficiency of your transmission or transaxle.Red Line Oil's MT-90 transmission gear oil is designed to provide excellent protection and improved shiftability for manual transmissions and transaxles. Popular in Nissan, Toyota, and Mazda manual transmissions and transaxles, as well as other selected applications, this is a 75W90 GL-4 gear oil that's slightly heavier than MTL. It provides excellent protection of gears and synchronizers, and its balanced slipperiness provides a perfect coefficient of friction, allowing easier shifting. Z Edited January 9, 2006 by Z_Pilot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheel366 Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 I got a question for all you guys. I know that the Centerforce dual friction clutch is for modified engines. Since I have the Jim Wolf cams, headers, exhaust and Pop Charger, do you think it would be better if I got the dual friction clutch rather than a stock? In the future I am going to replace both cats with high-flow cats, get 33's, 3-inch body lift and probably a new ECU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94extreme Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 All the same, right? Z seems to be.. as long as it's not gl-5 or somthing else that says it's better then gl-4.. it is not for our trucks, actually detrimental to the tranny. i think there are a few here that have that in their trannys. good stuff from what they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z_Pilot Posted January 10, 2006 Author Share Posted January 10, 2006 I got a question for all you guys. I know that the Centerforce dual friction clutch is for modified engines. Since I have the Jim Wolf cams, headers, exhaust and Pop Charger, do you think it would be better if I got the dual friction clutch rather than a stock? In the future I am going to replace both cats with high-flow cats, get 33's, 3-inch body lift and probably a new ECU. That's basically what I was wondering too... I am now quite where you are yet, but hope to see some big H #'s if\when the L&P Supercharger comes out. Z BTW- Do you mind if I ask how much the Labor $$ was to install the cams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheel366 Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 I can't answer that. I had to get a whole new engine so the install was included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 I can't answer that. I had to get a whole new engine so the install was included. at least he's honest. lol as for the clutch.. when do you plan on installing the sc? OEM equipment can take a beating... i was going to get the CF II until it realized it would cost me $437 and OEM was $178... and it has been great. I do a lot of shifting of gears and i also use it for off road and have never had a problem with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheel366 Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 Slick, the CF dual friction is around 390 from calmini. Much cheaper than AC and summit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Slick, the CF dual friction is around 390 from calmini. Much cheaper than AC and summit. does it also come with the t/o bearing? sssh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vidro Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 All right back to the synthetic oil question seems to be my favorite topic lately. I had my pappy in Austin look around for some synthetic to see if was cheaper than the $20 qrt stuff where I live. He said the few parts people that he has spoke to say that GL4 is not synthetic (we all know this), but they are telling him that synthetics are not labeled as GL4-Gl5 but by weight. Any thoughts on this? I posted a little bit ago a comment from another site on the topic of mineral versus synthetic. One guy commented that because manual trannies sling fluid and not pump fluids that synthetic are not recommended and that only pumped method of fluid dispersion should use synthetic. Any one familar with and/or support this theory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheelmanLS1 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 I don't know much about the Centerforce clutches in a Pathfinder, but a guy I know who works on just Hondas said not to get one (my friend asked about it for his CRX). I don't know if that meant OE is better or Centerforce is too expensive or what. He had other companys he recommended I don't think Exedy was one but that's the only other aftermarket option we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheel366 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 I have a friend who drifts with his 240 and used to have a RX7. He said that centerforce clutches are complete crap. Looks like I'll be going with OE for now. I have the shop looking into whether I just need my clutch adjusted or if I need a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheel366 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Oh, and to answer your question SLICK, the throwout bearing comes seprately for around $22 I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 All right back to the synthetic oil question seems to be my favorite topic lately. I had my pappy in Austin look around for some synthetic to see if was cheaper than the $20 qrt stuff where I live. He said the few parts people that he has spoke to say that GL4 is not synthetic (we all know this), but they are telling him that synthetics are not labeled as GL4-Gl5 but by weight. Any thoughts on this? I posted a little bit ago a comment from another site on the topic of mineral versus synthetic. One guy commented that because manual trannies sling fluid and not pump fluids that synthetic are not recommended and that only pumped method of fluid dispersion should use synthetic. Any one familar with and/or support this theory? First of all, synthetics do come in GL-4. There's a Pennzoil synthetic GL-4 that I've used. Secondly, I don't believe that synthetics aren't good for manual trannies. Lots of people run Redline synthetic in their Pathy's and have had very good results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vidro Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 I'm not sure what I was eluding to when I posted the comment "GL4 is not synthetic (we all know this)", except for I know GL4 comes in both Mineral and synthetic but the parts guys were dismissing it for some reason. Where I'm at we have GL4 75 -90 @ $20qrt so I know it's available I'm just to much of a tightwad to buy it. I have heard a bunch about Redline and Amosle (I Know I did not spell that right, bare with me) and the price on the WEB look good. Other fluid questions to those that know. On high mileage engines (240,000) what's the better oil to use, a thinner oil such as 50w or a 30w? I can get synthetic 10-30 and 10-40 at about 20 bucks for 5 qrt. but because of availability and retailer the synthetic in the 50 weight are a little higher. While I'm at it what spark plugs do you fellows recommend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88pathoffroad Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 I got a question for all you guys. I know that the Centerforce dual friction clutch is for modified engines. Since I have the Jim Wolf cams, headers, exhaust and Pop Charger, do you think it would be better if I got the dual friction clutch rather than a stock? In the future I am going to replace both cats with high-flow cats, get 33's, 3-inch body lift and probably a new ECU. Only if you plan on doing some severe-duty offroading in 4LO... Wait till those 33's suck the power and mileage out of your Pathy, you'll need even more mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patzx300 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 the VG30 uses a 250mm clutch disc, just like the 300ZX twin-turbo, that should broaden your options for you. I lucked out and got the last NISMO clutch disc for a Pathfinder and will be using a NISMO Coppermix solid hub clutch disc. It is a non-asbestos organic material mixed with copper , when cold the NAO mix does the clamping for you, as it heats up the copper takes over, the hotter it gets the more it grips. Spoke to my contact at NISMO and explained to him about working the clutch hard when wheeling. He said this is the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheel366 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 88, do you think it will be that bad with a new engine and the current mods? I know mileage will go down, but power loss can't be that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z_Pilot Posted January 12, 2006 Author Share Posted January 12, 2006 the VG30 uses a 250mm clutch disc, just like the 300ZX twin-turbo, that should broaden your options for you. I lucked out and got the last NISMO clutch disc for a Pathfinder and will be using a NISMO Coppermix solid hub clutch disc. It is a non-asbestos organic material mixed with copper , when cold the NAO mix does the clamping for you, as it heats up the copper takes over, the hotter it gets the more it grips. Spoke to my contact at NISMO and explained to him about working the clutch hard when wheeling. He said this is the way to go. Good tip...how can I copy-cat you? (where can I get those parts?) Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z_Pilot Posted January 12, 2006 Author Share Posted January 12, 2006 All right back to the synthetic oil question seems to be my favorite topic lately ...now wait a minute, this is MY thread about clutches! j\k carry on Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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