sniper15 Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 2dayh i was going down the street and my 93 pathy just stalled on me. i didnt studder or any thing. i have gas and i have spark and air. i have not looked at anythign yet.i had to get i towed home. this sux. i believe that it is the crack sensor or the ignition control moduale but i will find out shortly. does anyone have any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 (edited) Sorry to hear you konked out. First off, had you been ahving any kind of problems with her before this? Have you checked all your connections? Alternator, battery? How old is your fuel pump? ... Did your check engine light come on? Did you smell anything funky like a maybe a burnt wire or anything? Edited November 10, 2005 by Slick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 If you try to start it, and it seems you only hear the starter turning, you may have eaten your timing belt. If it cranks properly, your distributor (where, I believe the Crank Angle sensor is located) may have died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precise1 Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 crack sensor Yes, your truck is out of crack and refuses to run... Sorry, couldn't help it... Yep, as per Simon, have you kept up on the timing belt replacement ? Just for kicks, I'd run the ECU codes, that NEVER hurts. Instructions in the Garage/How To section. B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dowser Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 crack sensor Yes, your truck is out of crack and refuses to run... Sorry, couldn't help it... LMAO That remindes me of a Band I know and Love named GWAR. In an old movie they made all of their machinery operated on Crack being shoveled into old coal burning engines. One of the Funniest things I ever saw. Sorry off topic but had to enlighten you all. Now... Back to the topic at hand. Dowser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniper15 Posted November 10, 2005 Author Share Posted November 10, 2005 well we think its the crank sensor so i bought a new distributor which costs me $225 and it should be running 2marrow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 sorry about the cost but hope she runs again!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniper15 Posted November 10, 2005 Author Share Posted November 10, 2005 i hope so too. thias all came at the worst timeing. it happned yesturday and that wa the start of my vacation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electrifyliak Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 I don't know if you already got the pathy running, but mine mysteriously died once and turned out my computer crapped out. I had to get a new one, luckily the warranty i had covered the $900 so I got lucky. Hope this isn't your problem, but thought I'd just throw my 2 cents in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniper15 Posted November 11, 2005 Author Share Posted November 11, 2005 the crank senso didint wok and i bought a new distibutor for nothing and i still dont know what the problem is. the timing marks line up with top dead center and everyhting even the rotor lines up wtf could the poblem be! my computer seems to be fine. my frind hooked his snap on modis up to the car and it didnt say anything is rong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Okay....Are you SURE you've got fuel? Maybe your fuel pump died? It sounding less and less like an electrical problem if it's cranking, but won't fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniper15 Posted November 11, 2005 Author Share Posted November 11, 2005 i got fuel u can herar the fuel pump cranking and i ahve a fuel injector tester i just checked that. but when i crank it for like 30 sec the fuel pump keeps pumping fuel into the injectors for some odd reason. i hav just diconected the battery to charge it and reset the computer maby that will help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Do you smell fuel? When you're cranking, and you can hear the injectors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniper15 Posted November 11, 2005 Author Share Posted November 11, 2005 yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Hmm.....Maybe you're flooding? Now, I'm just guessing, but it's possible that you've got a bad injector or 2 and they're allowing too much fuel in, and causing the pressure in the lines to drop, hence the fuel pump continously running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Oh wait...you said you tested the injectors.......sorry.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniper15 Posted November 11, 2005 Author Share Posted November 11, 2005 (edited) i put the fuel injector tester up to all the fuel injectors on 4 of them the light flashes at the same fast speed and on 2 of them its a lill jerkey. they will go at the same speed and then kinda studder Edited November 11, 2005 by sniper15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Hmm.....could be something blocking them, or could be that there isn't enough fuel to get to them, or could be that they're letting too much fuel by.......I wonder if maybe your pressure regulator has bit the dust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 only thing I can think of right now is if the timing were off 180 degrees and you weren' firing on the compression stroke. but... you didn't experience this following a T-belt change. When cranking, you're sure the cams are spinning? I'm guessing that you checked for a broken t-belt. I had a 92 Honda that did the EXACT same thing. It turns out it was an ignition module (looked like a credit card but a little thicker) that resided in the distributer. I replaced that and problem went away. Now... could that be pointless information? Does the pathy use an ignitor module or is it driven from the ECU? not sure. engines are basically simple. You need air, fuel and fire. You need them at the right time. If you're anywhere close, you will get 'something'. Sounds like you have nothing. Air flow wouldn't just stop. You said you have fuel from the injectors (though I'd pull a plug and look for wet) Spark? Pull a plug and hold it against a good ground. Should see sparks when cranking. If spark is there.... must be a timing issue. My suspicion is that you do not have spark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 K9....or anyone else. I was just speaking to Sniper15 on MSN, and he said he tested the fuel pressure right at the rail, and he's got 65psi! Now, from my understanding, the pressure regulator would be behind that, and it should limit pressure to 43psi. Could this be causing his issue? I.E. flooding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniper15 Posted November 11, 2005 Author Share Posted November 11, 2005 here are some pics for you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniper15 Posted November 11, 2005 Author Share Posted November 11, 2005 i think its up around the corner on the 1st pic at the top left, behind the plenum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 (edited) shouldn't be more than 43 psi. The injectors work on a pulse duration rather than a volumetric measurement so I would guess that you could certainly be getting too much fuel through the injectors. Edited November 11, 2005 by k9sar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Right. So that could be causing his non-start issue.......But the thing is it's testing at 65psi BEFORE the regulator. What can cause that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 There is a vacuum line that goes directly from the intake manifold to the FPR. Inside the FPR is a diaphragm with a valve. At idle when engine vacuum is high, it opens the valve lowering fuel pressure. At higher RPM's when engine vacuum is low, the valve closes increasing fuel pressure. If this line is missing or broken, you will run a high pressure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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