GP2001 Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 Hey guys, so im in a bit of predicament right now. My 1997 pathy has 160k on the original timing belt (prob a time bomb just waiting to blow) and is leaking coolant from the water pump. I've been trying to get this taken care of for the apst couple weekends but keep running into trouble. Right now I was trying to take off the harmonic balancer pulley, and one of the bolts ripped out and took the threads from inside the pulley with it!! What are my options now? Should i attempt to re-tap the hole? Would it be at all possible to use c-clamps and clamp the puller to the pulley and take it off that way? Also, this is prob a dumb question, but that section is 3consecutive pulleys, do they all come off together? ANY help or tips would be great, my areas calling for snow next week and I need this thing running. I commute to college, and what i drive now is a supercharged FWD car, so i'm not going anywhere in the freaking snow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94extreme Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 FWDs do great in the snow man. try clamping but i really doubt you'll have enough room.. retapping would be my second thing to try.. PB the hell out of it.. the last and i mean the last resort would be to use the jaw type puller.. the pulley is actually snapped to the harmonic balancer and i don't think they come apart. be real careful as the new set is very expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP2001 Posted November 29, 2007 Author Share Posted November 29, 2007 FWDs do great in the snow man. try clamping but i really doubt you'll have enough room.. retapping would be my second thing to try.. PB the hell out of it.. the last and i mean the last resort would be to use the jaw type puller.. the pulley is actually snapped to the harmonic balancer and i don't think they come apart. be real careful as the new set is very expensive. Thanks man, generally FWD is ok in snow, but FWD and torque are a bad thing... I have traction issues in the rain, i can get into it at 40mph and my freakin tires just spin. Off the line in the rain anymore than 1/8th throttle and my tires start to spin. Id imagine the snwo being a PITA. If I clamp would it be ok to clamp behind the middle pulley? Also, is the smallest one in the back technically the harmonic balancer? sorry for my newbishness, im inexperienced with this kind of stuff. I'm scared to use the jaw type becasue ive heard of the lip breaking off before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94extreme Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 i don't really know man.. i have the older model.. just keep playing with it.. you'll get it eventually. with the FWD, start from second gear instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP2001 Posted November 29, 2007 Author Share Posted November 29, 2007 i don't really know man.. i have the older model.. just keep playing with it.. you'll get it eventually. with the FWD, start from second gear instead. Thanks man, either ill get it, or ill put it back together and jsut drive it til it dies...haha I got it for free so its a win win either way, but im stubborn as hell and want this thing done...lol I'm really just beyond frustrated, idk why nothing can ever work like it should, i've prob got over 10 hours into this already, all thanks to stupid crap causing me to drive all over the place to get stupid stuff, the amount of work i actually have into it is probably like an hour, the rest is all waste....very frustrating,haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonianbrat Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 I would use the puller as a last resort. I did and broke the lip on the back. 200 bucks later and a lesson learned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 Tap the hole out one size bigger, and use a heli-coil. Its a threaded insert that reduces the bigger hole down to the size that it used to be. You can get them at Harbor Freight, Ace Hardware, Lowe's etc. If you don't know what I am talking about, then let me know and I will post a picture. You could also tap out the hole the next size bigger, and use the proper bolt if your balancer puller will accommodate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP2001 Posted November 29, 2007 Author Share Posted November 29, 2007 (edited) well...i may have another problem with the pulley... I had my hand on it and was pulling on it a bit to see if it would loosen a bit, and the front two pulleys actually started to separate from the back small one. Im pretty sure that isnt supposed to happen. The tap I have to make the thread biger isnt long enough to fit in the pulley, so i got another bolt to thread in kind of half assed, and used the proper bolt in the other hole, turned it a couple times and the second bolt pulled the threads out, for some reason its jsut rusted to all hell. As a last resort I used a ratchets strap and ratcheted the puller to the pulley itself, wrapping it around the small back one, start to crank the bolt in the puller and the pulley starts to come of, but like what happened with my hand, the front two are separating from the back. Does this mean that I need to buy a new pulley? Can I just press them back together? Heres a pic of what it looks like http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q83/GP2...pulleyarrow.jpg Its still on the car, as i only have one ratchet strap, and it will come off way easier using two of them so its more even. Let me know what you guys think, im praying i can just push it back together and re use it...Also how do i go about geting the back smaller one off seperately? Edited November 29, 2007 by GP2001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unccpathfinder Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 (edited) looks normal to me... but pulling out the FSM to see...post pix in a lil while... well...after looking and googling its 1 assembly...but I'm pretty sure that its just pressed onto the harmonic balancer... I would carefully drill and retap those holes...get the next size larger bolts that will fit in your puller still and get a good quality bolt with fine threads (make sure the tap is fine threads) is the image i found and its like $250 so I would try everything else B4 continuing in case it will destroy the pulley... Edited November 30, 2007 by unccpathfinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94extreme Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 looks normal to me... but pulling out the FSM to see...post pix in a lil while... hard to tell from that angle really. if you see a shiny shaft between them then they are spreading otherwise not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP2001 Posted November 30, 2007 Author Share Posted November 30, 2007 (edited) Well im definitely going to need a new pulley...the front two pieces pulled off of the back one, but now i cant figure out how to get the back one off, it is STUCK on there. For that one, I tried using a 3 jaw pulley puller I have, the middle spindle was pushing so hard, that it started to cut and thread into the crankshaft itself rather then pull off the pulley...Anyone have a clue what I can possibly due? Its not even like I can just put it back together and drive it til it dies, the pulley is seperated in two...so until i get this off and the new one on there its useless. Makes me pissed I even attempted to start this, since I got the car for free and it ran before. I figured id be smart and put in the extra work, and prolong its life, little did I know this rusted POS wants to give me hell with EVEYTHING..sorry if I sound like an asshole, i've spent so many hours on this its ridiculous, im just really frustrated, mostly with myself for even starting to do this...If I get everything done and get the timing wrong, I just may go crazy...haha Edited November 30, 2007 by GP2001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Well im definitely going to need a new pulley...the front two pieces pulled off of the back one, but now i cant figure out how to get the back one off, it is STUCK on there. For that one, I tried using a 3 jaw pulley puller I have, the middle spindle was pushing so hard, that it started to cut and thread into the crankshaft itself rather then pull off the pulley...Anyone have a clue what I can possibly due? Its not even like I can just put it back together and drive it til it dies, the pulley is seperated in two...so until i get this off and the new one on there its useless. Makes me pissed I even attempted to start this, since I got the car for free and it ran before. I figured id be smart and put in the extra work, and prolong its life, little did I know this rusted POS wants to give me hell with EVEYTHING..sorry if I sound like an asshole, i've spent so many hours on this its ridiculous, im just really frustrated, mostly with myself for even starting to do this...If I get everything done and get the timing wrong, I just may go crazy...haha at this point your going to have to ad some heat to get that pulley off. Small butane torch woud work i bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP2001 Posted November 30, 2007 Author Share Posted November 30, 2007 at this point your going to have to ad some heat to get that pulley off. Small butane torch woud work i bet. are you sure it wouldnt damage anything else? I'd really like using a torch as my LAST option...haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Heat will help. There's nothing to really damage there. I'd also give the pulley a couple of good whacks with a hammer, to free up some of the rust. Don't hit too hard though, as you don't want to bend the shaft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP2001 Posted November 30, 2007 Author Share Posted November 30, 2007 Heat will help. There's nothing to really damage there. I'd also give the pulley a couple of good whacks with a hammer, to free up some of the rust. Don't hit too hard though, as you don't want to bend the shaft. Ok thanks, I have a small butane torch so I guess ill give it a shot, how long do you think I should heat it for? Should I just heat it and then try to use the 3 jaw puller again? I did hit it with a hammer a bit to try to loosen the rust, but i didnt want to hit it too hard and jam it on or something... Also how does the new pulley go back on? This one is on there so well, im not sure how to go about getting the new one on there. And one more thing, how should the timing belt look? I pulled back the cover a bit and the belt actually looks good, the previous owner was a female and doesnt know anything that was done, she has a ton of receipts but nothing about a timing belt so i assumed it was not done, but now im starting to second guess. Is it normal for a belt to look ok? I was thinking since its covered it probably wont really look to bad, but will just be weaker and theres no way to tell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 IT is normal for it to look okay. Typically, they show no signs of wear. They just snap. Both of mine that I had done looked brand new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 For that one, I tried using a 3 jaw pulley puller I have, the middle spindle was pushing so hard, that it started to cut and thread into the crankshaft itself rather then pull off the pulley. Thread the bolt back into the crank with out the washer and it will keep you from screwing your threads all up, because if you do that, you will really be kicking yourself in the nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94extreme Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 get you a 55gal drum of PBlaster and go to town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP2001 Posted December 2, 2007 Author Share Posted December 2, 2007 Well guys, I finally got the damn thing off and got everything else done Now i'm just waiting overnight for my thermostats housing gasket maker to seal well and then tomorrow in goes the coolant and we'll see how she runs...wish me luck. Thanks for all of your input. For those curious to how I got it off, I used the 3 jaw puller, the same spindle that threaded into the crankshaft before,took that, crammed a socket on the end of it, the part of the socket that the ratchet goes into, I put the little arrowhead part off of a different pulley puller, and that finally worked. Im very relieved to have it all done and back together, but am SO nervous that the timing is wrong, I cant imagine why it would be becasue i was very precise and nothing moved in the time between taking the old belt off and putting the new one on, but who knows, guess i'll find out tomorrow. BTW, the correct bolt size for the crankshaft pulley is metric 6, incase someone else needs to find out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94extreme Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 6mm? are you sure? that's awfully small. hmmm.. i think it's like 26mm on wd21. btw. nice edit unc. nice pix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP2001 Posted December 2, 2007 Author Share Posted December 2, 2007 6mm? are you sure? that's awfully small. hmmm.. i think it's like 26mm on wd21.btw. nice edit unc. nice pix. I think I may have said it a little confusing. The 6mm is the thread size of the two holes in the crankshaft pulley that you need to get two bolts for to put through the pulley puller. I think your talking about the bolt that holds the pulley on, in which case yes its WAY bigger, haha BTW what worked for me to get that big bolt off was putting the breaker bar on the bolt, pushing it down to the passenger side frame, ratcheting it down with a ratchet strap VERY well, then I disconnected the distributor, and bumped the starter...If anyone needs help getting through this feel free to PM me, as there are a coupe of wierd things that you may run into that are fresh in my head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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