95offroad4x4 Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 I have a 95 pathy stock. well my starters been going out for quit some time and well i went mudding in about 2 and half foot mud pit, drove around for about 2 hours after that. came home parked it and woke up the next day and it wont start. so i replaced the starter. still wont start. bought new battery still wont start. checked fuel pump .. well thats good. checked to see if i have spark, well i do. checked spark plugs, and those are good. now when im trying to start it it clicks real fast and it will some times miss fire. Does anyone have any idea what could be wrong? Please give me some ideas...thanks .... KYLE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pathy95 Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 I have a 95 pathy stock. well my starters been going out for quit some time and well i went mudding in about 2 and half foot mud pit, drove around for about 2 hours after that. came home parked it and woke up the next day and it wont start. so i replaced the starter. still wont start. bought new battery still wont start. checked fuel pump .. well thats good. checked to see if i have spark, well i do. checked spark plugs, and those are good. now when im trying to start it it clicks real fast and it will some times miss fire. Does anyone have any idea what could be wrong? Please give me some ideas...thanks .... KYLE clicking real fast to me sounds like a dead/low battery try a boost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95offroad4x4 Posted June 26, 2008 Author Share Posted June 26, 2008 clicking real fast to me sounds like a dead/low battery try a boost its a brand new 80 dollar battery.. and when i first bought the battery i hooked up jumper cables to it . still did the same thing. but what i dont get is why is it miss firing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwipete Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Its your Alternator. It is on its way out and it's not charging the battery enough so you are not getting full boost to crank the starter motor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95offroad4x4 Posted June 26, 2008 Author Share Posted June 26, 2008 Its your Alternator.It is on its way out and it's not charging the battery enough so you are not getting full boost to crank the starter motor. Thanks ill try that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeV Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 (edited) Is it a NEW starter or a re-manuf##ked up one. Just read a good thread here on the trials and tribulations of the evil remanu**cked up starters; Definately will never by a re(you get the idea)ed one as time is money and not having the Pathy is punishment!-) Edited June 26, 2008 by MikeV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95offroad4x4 Posted June 26, 2008 Author Share Posted June 26, 2008 Is it a NEW starter or a re-manuf##ked up one.Just read a good thread here on the trials and tribulations of the evil remanu**cked up starters; Definately will never by a re(you get the idea)ed one as time is money and not having the Pathy is punishment!-) its a remanufactured one.. i aint got all that money to buy a new one. but i do see where your comming from. everything is turning over. but now im havin trouble disconnecting the alternator. i got it all unbolted but i cant seem to get the wire part off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95offroad4x4 Posted June 26, 2008 Author Share Posted June 26, 2008 its a remanufactured one.. i aint got all that money to buy a new one. but i do see where your comming from. everything is turning over. but now im havin trouble disconnecting the alternator. i got it all unbolted but i cant seem to get the wire part off. well i had the alternator tested and well its good...so this aint making no sense. Good alternator, good battery, good starter, have fuel, have air, have spark. now why wont it start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittamaru Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 auto or manual? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95offroad4x4 Posted June 26, 2008 Author Share Posted June 26, 2008 auto or manual? its v6 3.0 auto 4x4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittamaru Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 hm... what happens when you turn the key? Almost sounds like start solenoid or a bad starter... how do you KNOW the starter is good? Spring for a new one... that remanu**cked up one will leave you stranded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95offroad4x4 Posted June 26, 2008 Author Share Posted June 26, 2008 hm... what happens when you turn the key? Almost sounds like start solenoid or a bad starter... how do you KNOW the starter is good? Spring for a new one... that remanu**cked up one will leave you stranded. it clicks real fast like it wants to start, everything is turning so it cant be the starter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittamaru Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Do you know the starter itself is turning? Do you hear the fuel pump kick in? Try getting a jump start - if that doesn't work, assume starter. Pull it and have it tested OR test with a known good starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eglaisi_91pathy Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Take the covers (2) off your steering column. Look on the left hand side, at the opposite end of the ignition switch IIRC there are 5 connection points. Check all of them by tugging GENTLY. If any come right off, solder it back on and fire it up (the engine, don't actually set anything on fire). Worked like a charm for my starting problem, a year after I did it it hasn't failed yet. I did it after I put a new battery, starter, and alty in. $$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwipete Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 (edited) it clicks real fast like it wants to start, everything is turning so it cant be the starter Yep. I know what this is too. I think. Its the clutch mechanism in the starter motor. Mine did this once too, but only when it was cold. Even though you have a recon starter it could be that they didn't recon the clutch. This clutch is part of the mechanism that fires the whatsit onto the ring gear to crank the engine. I know what I want to say here, but cant properly put it into words sorry. Here's a couple of exploded pics of two different Pathy Starters to help you. Edited June 27, 2008 by kiwipete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittamaru Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Good point Kiwi... This is why you don't get recon starters... they're stupidly simple complex pieces of PITA equipment nobody seems to recon right anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95offroad4x4 Posted June 27, 2008 Author Share Posted June 27, 2008 Good point Kiwi... This is why you don't get recon starters... they're stupidly simple complex pieces of PITA equipment nobody seems to recon right anymore yall are prob right but my question is, if the starter is bad it wouldnt turn over, right? And everything is turning over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittamaru Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 the engine is actually cranking? In that case - look at the fuel system. Crank but no fire means either no fuel, no air, or no spark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95offroad4x4 Posted June 28, 2008 Author Share Posted June 28, 2008 the engine is actually cranking? In that case - look at the fuel system. Crank but no fire means either no fuel, no air, or no spark. i have spark, have air. and have fuel in fuel pump line..but not sure if the injectors are out? i toot off the fuel pump line right where it runs into the injectors , cranked it over and gas spewed out. so i know fuel pump works. but not sure about the injectors and i would really hate to take em off. cause thats a project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittamaru Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 Crank it a bit, then check the cylinders for wetness... should be a good sign I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95offroad4x4 Posted June 30, 2008 Author Share Posted June 30, 2008 with spark plug off or on...and if on , when i take the spark back out will the spark plug be wet.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittamaru Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 if you crank it for, say, fifteen seconds at MOST< they should come out damp and you should smell fuel. If you don't, I'd bet that's a good sign no injector firing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95offroad4x4 Posted July 1, 2008 Author Share Posted July 1, 2008 as in the other topic about the alarm i posted, could that alarm be cutting off my fuel flow...but my fuel pump is workin but is stoppin my injectors?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittamaru Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Talk to Slick mate- she knows all about injectors *shrugs* My knowledge ends about there mate, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95offroad4x4 Posted July 1, 2008 Author Share Posted July 1, 2008 Talk to Slick mate- she knows all about injectors *shrugs* My knowledge ends about there mate, sorry. how do i find her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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