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I like it!!
I have to question your driver's seat dyno though. I'm kinda with GG on this one, for $1300 I'm sure I could pull out more ponies than dual exhaust.
Your math is impeccable...
DUDE, it's a friggin 3.0 liter motor that tops out before 6k RPM!!!
Unless you have done something significant to the intake (and cams?) more than 2.5" is probably just a waste of metal.
You can hang 6" HVAC ducting and a fart can if it makes you happy, I just won't believe it runs better.
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You have to tell the whole story if your going to tell it at all............. so lets start from the top shall we....
Our 3.0L motors have an intake area of 9.6211 sq. in. and an exhaust outlet area of 10.6028 sq. in. (6 outlets 1.5" dia. each with a area of 1.7271 sq.in.). The stock manifolds only have a 2" dia outlet at 3.1416 sq.in. per side which is:
=>(1-(6.2832/10.6028))*100%)) = 40% restriction of flow just at the manifolds. Both then flow into 2" pipes then are collected into a single 2" pipe which is:
=>((1-(3.1416/6.2832))*100%) 50% restriction.
Overall our factory exhausts restricts flow by at least ((1-(3.1416/10.60280)*100%)= 70%. Pre cat and Muffler, so lets assume that they'll add another 10% when their new.
So, right off the factory floor say ~ 80% restriction.
Let's break it down into 3 options;
1) 2.5" Single Pipe system
Assumptions;
Pacesetter Headers 2†collectors into 2 -- 2" pipes into 1 -- 2.5" pipe
All calculations pre cat & muffler
Calculations;
[(1-(4.9087 sq.in./10.6028 sq.in.))*100] = 53.7%
70% - 53.7% = 16.3% increase in flow……..Not bad!
2) 3" Single pipe system
Assumptions;
Pacesetter Headers 2†collectors into 2 -- 2" pipes into 1 -- 3" pipe
All calculations pre cat & muffler
Calculations:
((1-(7.0686/10.6028))*100%) = 33.33%
70% - 33.33% = 36.67% increase in flow……Better!….
3) 2.25†Dual pipe system
Assumptions:
Pacesetter Headers 2.25†collectors into 2.25†pipes
All calculations pre cats & mufflers
Calculation:
((1-(3.976/10.6028))*100%) = 25%
70% - 25% = 45% increase in flow…….Damn good!
A couple of things to note the 2.25" Dual system is 2.25" front to back no reduction anywhere. As tight as the 2.25" pipe is I'd imagine it would be difficult to install the 2.5" or 3" without some reductions or additional bends not required with the 2.25" Dual set-up.
I'd like to see some photos of the 2.5" and 3" single systems, if anyone has some post them up.
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I wanna see your dyno results, when you going!?
Also, did you wind up putting the o2 sensor after the cat?
Works had me tied up for the past couple months, I'm now back in Burlington, WA I look for a local dyno here and get back with some results.
Yeah, the O2 sensor had to be installed after the cats cause there just wasn't any room to install the x-pipes pre-cats.
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I have that in mine for years
Let's see some pics.... I like to see how they piped your system in compairson to mine.
Oh, swapped out the Magnaflow mufflers for some "turbo" whatever those are to quite it down a bit.
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e-bay, $108 and free shipping.
I have to ask.... How did that feel??
I paid less than that for 2 high flow Magna flow cats....... see www.dotcomparts.com
1995 Pathy
MSD coil
K&N air filter
Amsoil 5W-30
Pacesetter Header
Dual 2.25" Exhaust
Magna Flow Highflow Cats
Magnaflow Mufflers
Search for Duals for pictures
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Here is my two sense. I think this whole set up is pretty dam sick. Even if you spent twice as much on the set up, it's all worth it to be different. For those who want to criticize you, or question what you have accomplished, don’t let em get ya down or have you start second guessing yourself. Congrats man, looks sick.
I couldn't have said it better myself; though I don't think anyone is being tooooo critial just adding their two sense, which I like.
I might be swapping in a 2-in 2-out Maganflow muffler to quite her down a couple dbs.
Thanks for the support!!!!!!
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Looks Great, and thank you for using an x pipe I hate those guys that pipe their v6's straight out and when they take off it sounds like two lawnmowers drag racing Anyways, how about making a video so we can hear how it sounds.
When I get back from Seattle next week I'll do that.
Thanks
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Looks good...any notice in heat change with the 2 mufflers in the same area on the floorboard?
LOL, if there is I'd never notice, the outside temp. in Bakersfield, CA has been over 100 F since before I arrived here in June.
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Well if most of us use a 2.5"- 3" for singles, then you would think smaller on duals would be the way to go.
Personally I don't see the point it's just a waste of extra tube, an extra muffler and space for nothing more than looks.
LOL, looks, I'll dyno it and we'll have to compair it to the factory specs to see if it was all really about looks. Not that I care, in the end it was still cheaper than replacing the factory exhaust with OEM crap or something like it.
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Kewel. Post up some more details, would ya?
Did you (hope not) eliminate the cats? What diameter is the piping? Prolly revs better at higher RPMS, right? Any noticeable low end torque difference? Any performance difference to justify the added expence/labor? If not its still kinda cool to have two pipes out back.
Yeah, I'll post some close ups next week when I drop the tranny for repairs/rebuild.
System Set-up
Pacesetter Headers 70-1197 armor coated and collectors flanged out to 2.25" $355
Magnaflow Cats Stainless 53004 Universal 3-way 2.25" x 2 $112
Magnaflow Tru X-Crossover Pipe 10790 Stainless 2.25" $72
Magnaflow Mufflers Stainless 4" x 9" Ovals 2.25 " 11365 $132
Aluminized Pipe and labor $650
Total $1321
Actual revs better throughout. Low end torque has increased noticeably which = better performance. It was definitely worth every penny. If you'll notice I had the tail-pipes terminated at the body line which I like compaired to some crappy chrome tip that I would've had to clean weekly. Also, the O2 sensor was installe at the x-pipe to measure accurate ratios.
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Pipes look a little small to me, but that could just be me. No matter what though, it's your truck so you do what you want to it.
LOL, 2.25" Pipes from headers back even had the collectors flanged out to 2.25" also.
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i have a 95 pathy... xe-v6. manual tranny. need more tractions! would like to add lockers to my rear. thanks.
WWW.CALMINI.COM
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Ok here is an updated link since the pinned one blows!!!!! Download while the link is still good.
This is a link to Digital Copies of Complete Bumper to Bumper Nissan OEM Shop Manuals for 1994 - 2004 Pathfinders
http://rapidshare.com/users/BZTM6R
Password: pdftown.com
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http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?...albumId=1840513
If anyone wants to see it or hear it, hit me up.
Located in Bakersfield, CA until October then back to Washington.
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i've seen a couple of twin-turbo 300zx complete engines on craigslist for a low $400.to a high of $1500. here in the seattle area not that it does you any good.
Could be big help to me that's just a short dive and I've got nice little shop just north of seatle. Thanks for the heads up!
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About a VG30DETT Swap......................Now that would be sexy!!!!!!!!!! :bow:
There's been some posts on the 300ZX site I'm a member of; I thinking about doing this swap around the beginning of next year, in my 95 Pathy. So far the only issue I've read about is interference between the inter-cooler piping and the steering gear box. Not sure about the newer Pathys if they have a rack-in-pinion set up you might able to pull it off with out to much of a headache.
Think about, look into then frick'n do it!!!!
Sean
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Hey, Just got my 1995 Pathy back in January it had the same "issue" here's how I "fixed"it. :idea:
-Pull the third brake light out three plastic plates cover up three screws, remove them and push brake light assembly to the left it should pop out at that point may be to the right tho. If you don't have one or just pull the spray nozzle out.
- Remove hose from sprayer and remove srcew attaching the sprayer to the brake light. (if required)
-The easy way is to soak the sprayer peice in some type of detergent for a bit or if your careful like me you could use a little bit of brake or carb cleaner to breakdown the dirty that has cloged the sprayer.
- After doing one or the other you can use a air compressor to blow the dirt out of the sprayer.
- Did this and I have had no issues since even with negative temps in the Pullman area.
Good luck! It not much fun but it works! :furious:
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Sweet... ....My old stumping grounds I have to take the Pathy out the next through!!!!!!! How many of us are in and aroung the Grays Harbor area?????
Stutter between 2500 and 3500 rpm
in The Garage
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I had this same problem the issue is the EGR valve. After I installed the pacesetter headers a noticed the stutter.
Turns out, after a bit of online research that our EGR valves work off of negative pressure (back pressure) from the exhaust system which with headers and a upgraded exhaust system the majority of the back pressure is lost, at least enough that the EGR will not function properly. Our EGR valves kick in above 2500 rpm causing the stutter.
To test:
-In park, slowly rev the engine to verify where the stutter starts
-Disconnect vaccum line feeding EGR valve
-Slowly rev engine and see if the stutter is gone.
This was the solution in my case. You may need to plug that vaccum line and you may also have to adjust the fuel/air mixture.
A permanent solution would be to track down a positive pressure EGR and fab it up to fit; then again you could just put a block off plate in too.
Have you had much like with your NTK O2 sensor?