TroyButler Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 I know there have been many many post about lifts, and the search function here isn't great, but i was wondering if there are any concerns if i get the 1" SFCreations spacers? I know with 2+ i have to worry about CV angles and such, so is there any concern with a 1"? Just looking for maybe a little more clearance for winter. Also if there is a thread or anything that covers this exactly feel free to link it, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TowndawgR50 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 Nothing to worry about. As with any lift, it may throw off your alignment and cause uneven tire wear. If you're due for a tire rotation that would be the time to install the spacers and get it aligned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueinfan Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 I've always heard that anything 2.5" spacer lift and below is fine. The issues start when you start add anything 3" and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyButler Posted September 24, 2018 Author Share Posted September 24, 2018 14 minutes ago, Blueinfan said: I've always heard that anything 2.5" spacer lift and below is fine. The issues start when you start add anything 3" and more. I thought I read here 2" can be a point of consern with the CV axels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TowndawgR50 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 (edited) Problems can occur at 2" and up. The issue is limited to some brands of CV axles while others seem to be OK. In my opinion anything above 1" warrants a spring lift instead of spacers becuase of the risk and wear factor. I ran 2" lift spacers at first and If i could do it all over again id have gone with springs. 3 Broken Cv's, fast wear on my tires and the lost time/hassle of resolving issues related to installing spacers just isnt worth the gain of the extra inch. Edited September 24, 2018 by TowndawgR50 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyButler Posted September 24, 2018 Author Share Posted September 24, 2018 2 hours ago, TowndawgR50 said: Problems can occur at 2" and up. The issue is limited to some brands of CV axles while others seem to be OK. In my opinion anything above 1" warrants a spring lift instead of spacers becuase of the risk and wear factor. I ran 2" lift spacers at first and If i could do it all over again id have gone with springs. 3 Broken Cv's, fast wear on my tires and the lost time/hassle of resolving issues related to installing spacers just isnt worth the gain of the extra inch. So 1" is perfectly fine, if i go for 2 do springs and longer shocks and that would prevent issues? or still have issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TowndawgR50 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Yes, 1" is fine-get an alignment after installation. 2" or more I would recommend springs. With a spring-only lift you should not encounter any issues with CV axles. There aren't any lift struts made for the R50. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlabamaDan Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Not to hi-jack, it could be for TroyButler too. If you went with springs that provide a 2" lift you shouldn't need to do any other modifications such as lengthen brake lines, steering shaft, etc. If the answer is true, then I assume a 1" spacer is easier. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TowndawgR50 Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 (edited) Springs are easier but more expensive. Spacers require modifications to the top hat of the strut. Both methods require compressing and removing the springs. Edited September 25, 2018 by TowndawgR50 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawairish Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 I think that if we're talking any amount of lift, I'd advocate springs over spacers any day like TowndawgR50. Static spacers are convenient if you really want to keep stock ride characteristics, but with limited options even available, you have to disassemble the entire strut anyway to install them. If you're going to go that far, springs are the way to go...better handling, better load support. Spacers have their place for us, but springs will make more of a difference for only a little more cost. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyButler Posted September 25, 2018 Author Share Posted September 25, 2018 19 minutes ago, hawairish said: I think that if we're talking any amount of lift, I'd advocate springs over spacers any day like TowndawgR50. Static spacers are convenient if you really want to keep stock ride characteristics, but with limited options even available, you have to disassemble the entire strut anyway to install them. If you're going to go that far, springs are the way to go...better handling, better load support. Spacers have their place for us, but springs will make more of a difference for only a little more cost. Is there a spring for 1" lift? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawairish Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 28 minutes ago, TroyButler said: Is there a spring for 1" lift? OME MD springs yield about 1.5". There used to be light-duty ones, but I don't think they're available any more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlabamaDan Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 10 minutes ago, hawairish said: OME MD springs yield about 1.5". There used to be light-duty ones, but I don't think they're available any more. That's 1.5" over stock? So if I'm I'm sagging 2" from original height it would give me 3.5" of lift from where I am today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawairish Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 33 minutes ago, AlabamaDan said: That's 1.5" over stock? So if I'm I'm sagging 2" from original height it would give me 3.5" of lift from where I am today? Technically speaking, yes, but are you determining the 2" sag using specs from the FSM? I'd be surprised if you weren't bottoming-out on the strut bumpstops over bumps, assuming they're installed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlabamaDan Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 22 hours ago, hawairish said: Technically speaking, yes, but are you determining the 2" sag using specs from the FSM? I'd be surprised if you weren't bottoming-out on the strut bumpstops over bumps, assuming they're installed. Yes. I looked at the specs in the FSM and measured where I'm sitting now on 245/70/16s which is the OEM tire size. I guess after 200k the old springs have had it. When loaded it's really really low. Like ridiculously low. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawairish Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Low. Ride. Der. Yeah, that kind of mileage will do that! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbaird313 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 I have a 2.5inch spacer on my 94 and my cambers off just a pinch now and the tires bow in. Worst comes to worse tho you can just get some camber bolts and have it fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshrichard Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Yes, 1" is fine-get an alignment after installation. 2" or more I would recommend springs. With a spring-only lift you should not encounter any issues with CV axles. There aren't any lift struts made for the R50. What is the difference between the spacers and the springs in cv axle positioning? Wouldn’t hey technically be lifting it the same way but with different objects? I’m asking because i’m in the process of buying my lift and would like to know why the springs result in better cv angles, thank you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjotrainbrain Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 2 hours ago, joshrichard said: What is the difference between the spacers and the springs in cv axle positioning? Wouldn’t hey technically be lifting it the same way but with different objects? I’m asking because i’m in the process of buying my lift and would like to know why the springs result in better cv angles, thank you. At ride height they basically have the same effect, at full droop it's a different story though. With lift coils your range of suspension motion is still stock, you just sit in a different spot in that range. With lift spacers you still sit in the same spot in the suspension's range of motion, but that range of motion is moved downwards; the tire can't come up as high as stock, but they can go lower. Either way the vehicle sits higher at regular ride height and the suspension angles are all essentially the same, however the bottom of the range of motion for suspension lifted with spacers binds the CV's since that range of motion is lower, and overlaps the "danger zone". Sorry if I'm rambling or repeating myself, it's 2AM... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshrichard Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 At ride height they basically have the same effect, at full droop it's a different story though. With lift coils your range of suspension motion is still stock, you just sit in a different spot in that range. With lift spacers you still sit in the same spot in the suspension's range of motion, but that range of motion is moved downwards; the tire can't come up as high as stock, but they can go lower. Either way the vehicle sits higher at regular ride height and the suspension angles are all essentially the same, however the bottom of the range of motion for suspension lifted with spacers binds the CV's since that range of motion is lower, and overlaps the "danger zone". Sorry if I'm rambling or repeating myself, it's 2AM...1 AM here, yikes. You’re always lurking somewhere around here to help haha, but thanks! tomorrow is going to be the day i order the parts for the lift, decided to go with AC all around 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainGoat Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 tomorrow is going to be the day i order the parts for the lift, decided to go with AC all aroundThose AC are VERY stiff by report. The LR are definitely a more compliant ride. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainGoat Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 As an FYI, you might enjoy reading through stioc & Duke90 build threads on Expedition Portal. If you google mild R50 build you should find stioc’s thread & can find Duke90s from there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawairish Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, RainGoat said: As an FYI, you might enjoy reading through stioc & Duke90 build threads on Expedition Portal. If you google mild R50 build you should find stioc’s thread & can find Duke90s from there. As an FYI, part 2, I can also tell you almost anything you need to know about Duke90’s truck. I did all the suspension and SFD work on it, among other things. I don’t think he’s updated his EP thread recently, but I also know he doesn’t own the truck anymore...his brother @Jax99 does. The truck will actually be in my garage this weekend for OBA and LR 9448 installs. He’s got the same front setup as me (3” SFD and OME HD). Edited November 1, 2018 by hawairish 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jax99 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 If time permits me today then I’ll update that build list with part numbers and some pictures also.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainGoat Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Yeah, I saw it on your recent trip posts@hawairish. I’m super jealous of@Jax99 with both you & the Sonoran. Thank heavens I’ve got a@TownDawgR50 Lucky Me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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