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http://money.msn.com/investing/post--mysterious-fake-cellphone-towers-found-across-us

 

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Mysterious fake cellphone towers found across US

 

The structures appear to be connecting to nearby phones and either tapping calls or reading texts.

 

By Jack Dutton, Business Insider

 

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Seventeen fake cellphone towers were discovered across the U.S. last week, according to a report in Popular Science.

 

Rather than offering you cellphone service, the towers appear to be connecting to nearby phones, bypassing their encryption, and either tapping calls or reading texts.

 

Les Goldsmith, the CEO of ESD America, used ESD's CryptoPhone 500 to detect 17 bogus cellphone towers. ESD is a leading American defense and law enforcement technology provider based in Las Vegas.

 

With most phones, these fake communication towers are undetectable. But not for the CryptoPhone 500, a customized Android device that is disguised as a Samsung Galaxy S III but has highly advanced encryption.

 

Goldsmith told Popular Science: "Interceptor use in the U.S. is much higher than people had anticipated. One of our customers took a road trip from Florida to North Carolina and he found eight different interceptors on that trip. We even found one at South Point Casino in Las Vegas.

 

The towers were found in July, but the report implied that there may have been more out there.

 

Although it is unclear who owns the towers, ESD found that several of them were located near U.S. military bases.

 

"Whose interceptor is it? Who are they, that's listening to calls around military bases? Is it just the U.S. military, or are they foreign governments doing it? The point is: we don't really know whose they are," Goldsmith said to Popular Science.

 

It's probably not the NSA -- that agency can tap all it wants without the need for bogus towers, VentureBeat reported:

 

Not the NSA, cloud security firm SilverSky CTO/SVP Andrew Jaquith told us. "The NSA doesn't need a fake tower," he said. "They can just go to the carrier" to tap your line.

 

ComputerWorld points out that the fake towers give themselves away by crushing down the performance of your phone from 4G to 2G while the intercept is taking place. So if you see your phone operating on a slow download signal while you're near a military base . . . maybe make that call from somewhere else.

 

In an amazing coincidence, police departments in a handful of U.S. cities have been operating "Stingray" or "Hailstorm" towers, which -- you guessed it -- conduct surveillance on mobile phone activity. They do that by jamming mobile phone signals, forcing phones to drop down from 4G and 3G network bands to the older, more insecure 2G band.

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Yep, I've read a few articles about them; apparently there are a few in NYC as well. It seems that it is usually the local PD who are using these things, and they also have mobile devices that they can use to ping your phone and triangulate your position. This whole constant surviellance for your safety/so we can do our job better sheit is getting old.

I read Orwell's 1984 in 1984 and just shook my head at the principle but chuckled at the unrealistic notions. Now it seems that he was just off by a factor of two; at current trends, 2024 will be pretty close to what is described in the book.

 

When will cell phone makers set up phones/systems that can't be pinged and infringed at will?

 

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Anyone who thinks that big banks don't rule the world, that our presidents and government are not bought, and think the Rothchilds and the Illuminati are just good movie plots really needs to do some personal investigation. Depopulation is already underway.....

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From what I have read about these, What bothers me is:

1) No one seems to know much, if anything about them, including our elected officials. The public wasnt informed.

2) How were/are these funded and budgeted? I am assuming my tax dollars.

3) What oversight is there?

4) How does a municipal PD have the authority?

5) where is the warrant?

 

LASTLY

I pay for cell phone service. Cell service is regulated by the FCC. They are interfereing with federally licenced airwaves.

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Anyone who thinks that big banks don't rule the world, that our presidents and government are not bought, and think the Rothchilds and the Illuminati are just good movie plots really needs to do some personal investigation. Depopulation is already underway.....

 

 

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Anyone who thinks that big banks don't rule the world, that our presidents and government are not bought, and think the Rothchilds and the Illuminati are just good movie plots really needs to do some personal investigation. Depopulation is already underway.....

I don't care who truely invented peanut butter :shrug:

 

Yes I hate a lot of people, yes I think it's an invasion of privacy (and agree with the FCC point), personally though, my phone conversations don't have anything worth listening to anyway besides one sided conversations I distance myself from or bein dispatched to a tow. If knowing where that illegally parked cobalt is at is THAT important to you, I'd be more than glad to tell you :lol: (I know, that ain't the point)

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My position is simple... the greatest source of intelligence information being acquired by foreign interests is through our own media. There is a reason that there are a lot of things being kept secret from the general population. That is why many... MANY plots of homeland terrorism have been thwarted. If the government tells everyone what they know (weapons, locations, plans, etc), then EVERYONE knows. We had a pipe bomber several years ago and each time the news reported on what the police knew I the investigation, the bombers habits changed. Finally, the police told the media false information and trapped the guy. Do I agree with EVERYTHING the government is doing, no, but I value the fact that certain things are kept out of the public knowledge.

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What color should my transmission fluid be? Also, I seem to get better fuel mileage with my hubs unlocked. Weird.

 

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I have noticed that my cell reception is not always full strength with an obvious tower in plain site. I always chalked this phenomenon as "the other carrier's" tower.

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why is it that they can send a rover to mars but not build a cell phone that doesn't sound like your talking underwater or just drops the call altogether?

btw...I don't own one nor will I ever. if I'm not at home or at work I can talk to you later...leave a message.

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Ditto. I have no real need...

 

My position is simple... the greatest source of intelligence information being acquired by foreign interests is through our own media. There is a reason that there are a lot of things being kept secret from the general population. That is why many... MANY plots of homeland terrorism have been thwarted. If the government tells everyone what they know (weapons, locations, plans, etc), then EVERYONE knows. We had a pipe bomber several years ago and each time the news reported on what the police knew I the investigation, the bombers habits changed. Finally, the police told the media false information and trapped the guy. Do I agree with EVERYTHING the government is doing, no, but I value the fact that certain things are kept out of the public knowledge.

Of course the government needs to keep some things secret, but I really don't think that is what the OP is about. More like who is installing/using these things, what is their function and is rampant surveillance actually legal and warranted (both need to be proven first). This whole "you don't need to know, it is for your protection and look at all the good it is doing (that you never hear about)" crap is a smoke screen.

The only terrorist plots/threats that I have heard of were either thwarted by citizens, set up on idiots by the Feds (IE offer to sell them bombs then arrest them), or are mislabled as they were done by US citizens on pretext of hate crimes not terrorism. The TSA is useless and has never accomplished anything, the DHS and NSA are too large and have too much power, and even our local police use SWAT (or pretend to be them) for little reason but to protect themselves against what if's. Now there are 'unowned/monitored' electronic surveillance devices being set up that we the people don't need to know about?

Who watches the watchers?

Pick up that can, citizen...

 

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Ditto. I have no real need...

 

Of course the government needs to keep some things secret, but I really don't think that is what the OP is about. More like who is installing/using these things, what is their function and is rampant surveillance actually legal and warranted (both need to be proven first). This whole "you don't need to know, it is for your protection and look at all the good it is doing (that you never hear about)" crap is a smoke screen.

The only terrorist plots/threats that I have heard of were either thwarted by citizens, set up on idiots by the Feds (IE offer to sell them bombs then arrest them), or are mislabled as they were done by US citizens on pretext of hate crimes not terrorism. The TSA is useless and has never accomplished anything, the DHS and NSA are too large and have too much power, and even our local police use SWAT (or pretend to be them) for little reason but to protect themselves against what if's. Now there are 'unowned/monitored' electronic surveillance devices being set up that we the people don't need to know about?

Who watches the watchers?

Pick up that can, citizen...

 

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For the most part, I agree but... due to my work, I have access to more information than the general public. One of the reasons that thwarted plots are not known are that the disclosure of said activity would alert others as to methods and resources that were used and could be used against others. Terrorism is not a single source so we can't lay our cards on the table for all to see. Have you ever played the board game "Clue"? When a guess is debunked, only the person who guessed is provided with the information as to why/how it was debunked.

 

Anyway... just drink the Kool-Aid and be happy not knowing all the dangerous bullsh!t that is going around behind your backs ;)

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