OH6PILOT Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 (edited) So...here goes!! My Pathy (the Black 95 4WD XE) which is my faithful driver, decided to show me that the 223,850 miles on it are starting to wear at the engine a bit..but I honestly take a little bit of responsibility for what happened. First..Lessons learned... There is a Thread on here about proper oils to use in your VG30E Engine... Let's go by lessons learned. I normally ran 10W40 in mine ( I live in Phoenix, so it helps). When i started to get a few engine ticks, I dropped in a QT of Lucas when doing an oil change. BEst things ever for the engine. Every other oil change I would drop in the QT of Lucas, and on the opposite times I would drop in a little bit of Marvel Mystery Oil...That @!*% works wonders, if you've never used it before. Even a pint into the gas tanks helps every 10,000 miles. Anyway...I started to get a few ticks, and thought maybe I was starting to get a sticky lifter, so the last oil change I did before I went back to the midwest, I decided to drop in 10W30. Now I'm a HUGE fan of Mobil One...so there's my baseline...however, when I dropped in the lighter oil...the ticks resounded...so I was short on time...and left the 10W30 in...then left to drive back to the midwest...through Colorado...and over VAIL PASS... HUGE ASS MISTAKE. By the time I got to the east side of Colorado, the engine was making sounds I can't even describe to you...However...once I got it above 2500 RPM, the sounds stopped..Hmmm.. Got to my destination, drained the oil...fortunately, no glitter..Thank God...ruled out spun bearing...for now. Compression check...sitting at 165 on first cylinder, and between 160 and 170 on all the others...which is amazing for the engine having 222,000 miles on it at the time. So...we narrow it down to "lifters"? Hmm... noise coming from right bank..clickety clack..but stops at high RPMS... So I pull the valve cover, yank the lifters and the rockers...all good. Clean them, reinstall, and refill with 10W40 Mobil One and 2 qts of Lucas...YES...2 QTS of GEAR OIL, essentially...and there's still a light clackety clack, but far reduced...bear in mind... I have to drive this thing back to AZ in a week. So I test, I poke, I prod, and try different things...Then I price out Uhaul, Penske, etc...all over $1800 to drag the Pathy back to AZ. So the day comes to head home...and I roll the dice. 1534 miles and 19 hours of the engine running constantly, I roll into the driveway at home. Bear in mind...I limped her home...took it really easy, and the only REAL issue was going up the 6% grade at Casa Verde Mountain pass on I17 between Flagstaff and Phoenix. That almost killed it. Now...the engine didn't leak a SINGLE drop of oil during the entire trip. Oil level stayed perfect. (On the way there with the 10W30..lost almost a quart...) However..the clickety clackety sound is now the most horrific sound I've EVER heard from an engine. And when I backed her into the driveway, she gave her first indication that @!*% was about to go sideways... So...I just went to Top Tier Motors in Phoenix and picked up a VG33 with 55,000 miles on it for $700 (plus tax, came to $756). Now I'm about to spend the next 3 days doing the swap... I'm going to post as much as possible...step by step, so bear with me, and hopefully we'll all learn something along the way!! Wish me luck!! ~Hans Edited August 26, 2017 by OH6PILOT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citron Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 I have over 300k and still run 5w30. Perhaps you could point me to the oil thread you speak of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamzan Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 While a VG33 swap is always a good time, are you sure that you don't have a loose camshaft retaining bolt? I've seen that a few times. Mine has 270k miles and still is silent. And use 5w30 (but I'm in canada.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OH6PILOT Posted August 27, 2017 Author Share Posted August 27, 2017 While a VG33 swap is always a good time, are you sure that you don't have a loose camshaft retaining bolt? I've seen that a few times. Mine has 270k miles and still is silent. And use 5w30 (but I'm in canada.) LITERALLY checked every single nut, bolt, pulley...everything. The sound is internal and coming from the front of the engine near the cranks/piston area of the #1 Cylinder... Plus..the engine is about to come out in the next 30 mins...I'll post pics shortly... ~Hans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slartibartfast Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Mine's at 239k and still running fine on straight 5w30. Looking forward to watching the build, and hopefully figuring out what was wrong with your 3.0. Sounds like it had been running wounded for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onespiritbrain Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 (edited) My 33 made a screaming noise after water intrusion thru the intake. I believe mine was piston ring related from forcing it to run after hydrolocking. No noises were present at cold start (except around 4K-4500RPM) until it was at running temps.. then it screamed like a banshee and locked down until cooling down completely and I could start the engine again.. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited August 27, 2017 by onespiritbrain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OH6PILOT Posted August 27, 2017 Author Share Posted August 27, 2017 Got the VG33 out of the back of the other Pathy, and mounted up onto the Engine Stand ($49 at Harbor Freight....WORTH IT) Had the Engine Hoist from doing my wife's BMW325i Engine Replacement last fall, so I got lucky... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OH6PILOT Posted August 27, 2017 Author Share Posted August 27, 2017 (edited) OK...STEP ONE: HOOD REMOVAL. 4 Bolts, 10 MM, two per hood hinge. If your hood has never been off before, then you can expect that you may have tp cut the edge with a razor to split the adhesive holding the hood in place on each hinge after you remove the bolts. Remove Hood, then place in a location where it wont get blown down of scratched... Edited August 27, 2017 by OH6PILOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OH6PILOT Posted August 27, 2017 Author Share Posted August 27, 2017 (edited) STEP 2: REMOVE AIR CLEANER ASSEMBLY: I have a modified Intake, somewhat of a HALF-COLD Intake... Remove the filter assembly and set aside. Using a pair of long needle nose pliers, remove the clips from the Vacuum Hoses on the Intake Assembly. Using an 8 MM socket, loosen the large clamp holding the intake Tube Assy to the Intake Plenum / Throttle Body Intake Assembly, then remove the intake tube assembly and set aside (inspect for any additional damage or deformities) Edited August 27, 2017 by OH6PILOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OH6PILOT Posted August 27, 2017 Author Share Posted August 27, 2017 STEP 3: Remove Battery Cables...NEG SIDE FIRST. Remove Battery (My battery bracket sucks, and the battery plate is rusted out...going to fix this before it all goes back in again. I firmly believe in painting BEFORE reassembling anything. Why go through the trouble to put crap back in place. Take the extra few minutes and do it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OH6PILOT Posted August 27, 2017 Author Share Posted August 27, 2017 (edited) STEP 4: DRAIN RADIATOR, REMOVE HOSES, REMOVE RADIATOR. Ok, so I decided that the more room I have the better, so I've gone a bit further and yanked the whole front radiator assemblies, to include the coolant bottle and AC Radiator Assy. In order to remove the radiator shroud, you also have to remove the fan... so..In order.. DRAIN RADIATOR. There's a small drain plug on the bottom left side of the radiator (if you're using vehicle terms looking from drivers seat, otherwise if FACING the vehicle from the nose, it's on your lower right side. Place a bucket or sufficient catching media under the front frame support and drain the radiator. would love top hear how many people get a clean catch from here. Mine came out rusty brown. (I change antifreeze every 12 months and flush the radiator as well...so) REMOVE UPPER RADIATOR HOSE. Very simple, it's either a normal hose clamp (Flat tip screwdriver), or a NISSAN hose clamp, which will be either 8mm or 10mm, depending on the size of the clamp (Mine has both, as pictured). Remove clamps, then remove hose and inspect for cracks, wear and deformities. Set aside if hose is still serviceable. FAN REMOVAL...very simple...4 10MM nuts secure it to the water pump pulley. close quarters getting in there, but it comes apart easy enough. SHROUD REMOVAL...Depending on if your shroud has been removed a number of times or never, it will have either 4 mount bolts (all 10 MM) or two (like mine). They are located at the top (one either side) and one on each side mounting it against the radiator frame. Remove the four bolts, secure the fan, and lift the shroud and fan out together. Inspect shroud fro cracks, deformities and set aside. FAN CLUTCH INSPECTION... visually inspect fan assembly for broken blades, deformities, general condition and mounting security. Clutch assembly should move by hand, and should have a slight amount of smooth drag to it (similar to moving through warm molasses). If it turns without any force at all, or doesn't turn, the clutch is bad. Replace it (around $45 at Autozone) Edited August 27, 2017 by OH6PILOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamzan Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Nice... Judging by the upper coolant neck, regular coolant changes were definitely not done by previous owners... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OH6PILOT Posted August 29, 2017 Author Share Posted August 29, 2017 Nice... Judging by the upper coolant neck, regular coolant changes were definitely not done by previous owners... Honestly I think they may have changed the coolant once or twice in the lifetime of the truck. Tragic, but regular flushing helps!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exorpmtech Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Hows the swap going? Do you keep the 3.0 computer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie_Brown Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Hope you got a 2000 xterra engine so you don't have to mess around with alternator and power steering. If you do it's not hard just another thing. You can use vg30 distributor, you just have to swap the vg33 mounting plate. It is slightly different than the vg30. If you have manual trans don't even touch the trans, it doesn't help getting the engine out. Just drop the front diff, you can't get around it easily (I tried and succeeded but it was more of a PITA) Replace your water pump and timing chain now while it is out (you will regret it if you don't later on) The swap is tedious and at times a major pain in the ass but pretty straight forward and well documented between various forums. Will be nice to have a step by step like this with pictures with all the i formation in one single place for others. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OH6PILOT Posted September 2, 2017 Author Share Posted September 2, 2017 PROGRESS UPDATE: Sorry for the delay in posting progress pics. I'll be posting more in the next few days. I'm at the point where I'm putting all of the components from the VG30 on to the VG33. Things I've found so far in the swap that would have been useful to know before starting... 1.) The moment you decide to do the swap, drop the balancer from the VG30 off WITH the balancer from the VG33 immediately at a competent machine shop that can actually bore the balancer out. I made the mistake of waiting too long, and I'm now NOT going to be able to finish the build before I have to head back to the midwest (I work a 14/14 schedule) due to one machine shop realizing that they couldn;t complete the job before the Labor Day weekend..then notifying me 10 mins before they closed on Friday...with my parts in their shop...which I cant get to until Tuesday...kinda pissed. 2.) Getting the engine out without dropping the front Differential isn't easy...at all...so don;t waste your time. Drop the front diff..it's much easier..PLUS...it gives you the opportunity to re-index your torsion bars. (Don;t get me started). LOL 3.) I decided to take the extra time to go over every inch of the new motor..good thing I did. I found a leaking RH Cam Seal. That would have sucked. Lesson here...even though the donor motor I bought was guaranteed/warrantied...it could still have some issues. So...pretty much everything has come off of it. Cams removed, lifters, rockers, etc. Exhaust manifolds removed and bead blasted and repainted. The motor looks damn near brand new now. 4.) Decided to use the cams from the VG30 in the VG33. Didn't realize just how much of a difference there was in lobe size. BIG difference. 5.) Decided to also keep the VG33 injectors due to the spray volume. This is requiring a re-wire of the injector harness. Not a biggie for me, but for someone who isn't too savvy on wiring...might be a hurdle. 6.) There are MANY websites that talk about this swap...and some are very inaccurate. This is actually an easier swap than I anticipated, but you also need to set yourself up for success. The right tools, supports, lifts, jacks, etc are required. Make sure you have an adequate workspace before you EVEN consider the swap. I'll post more soon. ~Hans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OH6PILOT Posted September 3, 2017 Author Share Posted September 3, 2017 STEP 5: Drain the Engine Oil. While you're at it, remove the Oil Filter. Drain it too...and throw it in the trash. a.) Remove the oil drain plug from the bottom of the oil pan. It should be a 12mm or a 14mm if it's a standard plug (Bolt). b.) Use a rag and grab the oil filter, turn counter clockwise...yes...to the left. Oil will drain from it, so have a catch rag handy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superktang Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 I'm in for info. This is good stuff, will be my turn as soon as I find the motor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djeffrey Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 None of your imgur pictures are loading. They say it is no longer available. Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OH6PILOT Posted October 6, 2017 Author Share Posted October 6, 2017 Tried to get a moderator to respond to my PM's about editing the above postings in order to redo the images. Can anyone help out? Redpath88's mailbox is full, and no one else has responded... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamzan Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Can you PM Pezzy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OH6PILOT Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 Going to start this over with the revised images. Hopefully we can remove the previous posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OH6PILOT Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 (edited) OK...STEP ONE: HOOD REMOVAL & FRONT GRILLE REMOVAL (Front Bumper already removed) A. In this case, I already had the front bumper removed, but I had installed the front grille guard as a small bit of protection. There are normally 2 to 4 bolts holding the lower arms of the grille guard. Loosen them (or remove them). __________________________________________________________________________________ B. Removed front turn signals (which would normally be installed on the front bumper) Also, front grille bolt removed from front bumper post assembly. __________________________________________________________________________________ C. Front Grille has a number of fasteners, depending on how your grille is held on. These fasteners will either be small plastic body fasteners, bolts, screws or in my case...zip ties. LOL. __________________________________________________________________________________ D. On to the hood. There are 4 Bolts, 10 MM, two per hood hinge. __________________________________________________________________________________ E. If you've had to try to realign a hood before, you'll understand that it's also important to put alignment marks on the hood hing assemblies. I didn't have a white paint marker handy, so I used a black sharpie. __________________________________________________________________________________ F. If your hood has never been off before, then you can expect that you may have to cut the edge with a razor to split the adhesive holding the hood in place on each hinge after you remove the bolts. __________________________________________________________________________________ G. Remove Hood, then place in a location where it wont get blown down of scratched... Edited October 7, 2017 by OH6PILOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OH6PILOT Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 STEP 2: REMOVE AIR CLEANER ASSEMBLY: I have a modified Intake, somewhat of a HALF-COLD Intake... A. There are 4 10mm bolts that hold on the air cleaner assembly (off of the front of the MAP Sensor). ______________________________________________________________________________ B. Disconnect the MAP Sensor Connector, visually inspect the connector for general condition, mounting, security and ensure that none of the pins or wires are damaged. ______________________________________________________________________________ C. Using an 8 MM socket, loosen the large clamp holding the intake Tube Assy to the Intake Plenum / Throttle Body Intake Assembly, then remove the intake tube assembly and set aside (inspect for any additional damage or deformities) _______________________________________________________________________________ D. Disconnect the mount bracket. _______________________________________________________________________________ E. Remove the filter assembly and set aside. _______________________________________________________________________________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OH6PILOT Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 STEP 3: BATTERY A. Remove Battery Cables...NEG SIDE FIRST. _____________________________________________________________________________________ B. Remove Battery (My battery bracket sucks, and the battery plate is rusted out...going to fix this before it all goes back in again.) I firmly believe in painting BEFORE reassembling anything. Why go through the trouble to put crap back in place. Take the extra few minutes and do it right. _____________________________________________________________________________________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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