Barack Obama is the 44th President of the USA

[Fukinitupagain]

then that's even sadder then i originally thought..

Yes its always sad when strong individuals come together & decide to form a family. God forbid we have children in the future who are taught to think for themselves & to carry their own wait & to work for living. Scarey. What will this country become?... hopefully not the socialist we've become in the last 30 or so years.

 

and that's just naive to think that.. we all pay taxes, right?

Just because we are all forced to pay income taxes doesn't mean that its right...

[nunya]

Not gettign involved because well, it's my choice not to. Just one of those things I guess. But from readign through a couple parts here and there, I must say I am honestly suprised it has stayed rather civil in here. Good job on playing nice

[Fukinitupagain]

On another note I have no problem with legalization. When I say legalize it, I mean legalize everything. If you want to sit in the privacy of your home & waste your life & destroy your body by shooting up herion or smoking meth or snorting coccaine then by-God thats your right. Now don't get in a car & go out & put other people's lives in danger but you should have the freedom & right to do with your own body as you see fit.

 

I know you might be saying, "thats wrong & we shouldn't let people do that," but again if you don't want to, then don't. I'm not going to. I don't think people should be able to force their mural views on others or tell others that their way is best. And think of the tax dollars. You see 94 theres another way to insure tax revinue that doesn't invovle reaching into my pockets. I am for unlimited personal freedom so long as you don't physically hurt someone else or you're not putting others lives at stake (if your feelings or emetions get hurt tough, they aren't covered in either the Constitution or the Bill of Rights)

 

On the same tocken I don't think the goverment has any right to tell me what, when & where I can buy a firearm, nor do I think I should have to tell the goverment how many I own, posess or when I buy one (or however many).

[beastpath]

You are wrong with concerns of my life. My life is all for me; I don't live for anyone else nor would I expect anyone else to live for me. You might, but I don't...

There are a ton of people that I am aquantences with but there are few people I have chosen as my real friends. You people say selffish as if its a bad thing, like its wrong to care for yourself & to want to look out for whats yours (family/friends). This business of wanting to help everyone is for the birds. If you want to help everyone go ahead but don't tell me I should.

 

Do you really think you live only for yourself? You are married and have kids, so you obviously care about them and live in part for them. Have you never felt human compassion? America is about opportunity, people can't always provide that for themselves so there are programs to help them.

 

And unitl the late 30's these were taken care of by mainly imports & exports. Our current tax (state/federal income) system was only meant to be temporary but our goverment realized that people weren't fighting it & would continue to allow the goverment to take money that they earn. I'd have no problem with say something like the Fair Tax. Thats a tax based on how much I spend on things that are non essentials (Food, water & housing). If I choose not to pay taxes then I need not buy that new pair of pants, but being penalized for working & earning a living & following the rules is mindless tosh.

 

This isnt the 30's, we live in a much more complicated world, wake up and smell the taxes.

 

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a litle temprorary safety deserve niether liberty nor safety" -Benjamin Franklin

 

I don't think I need to say any more on that statement.

 

Thats one quote. Ben Franklin also signed the constitution which officially controls peoples rights in order to preserve thier "essential rights". Actions speak louder than words.

 

Thats "we" as a collective group of individuals not "we" as in for the greater good or as in your indivdual rights do not take precedent over the group. Our individual rights & freedoms should always take higher matter over the collective.

 

Yes, "we" as a collective group of individuals. I agree. But how does not being taxed qualify as an essential right? There is nothing preserving peoples wages in the Bill of Rights. We give up certain things to the government so they do certain things for us, like protect those rights. Court systems are paid for by taxes too. The theory is sound, but whether the government chooses to abuse it is another question. Thats why you have the right to vote to change things too (pretty sure the voting process is paid for by taxes too). Although individuals, we still have to work together.

 

I lived out of my car when I lost my job & couldn't continue on with my college education (and no I've never done drugs or even drank so it wasn't because of an addiction). Let me ask you this Mr. High & Mighty when was the last time you were homeless? When was the last time you were scrounging around in dumpsters looking for something to eat for you & your dog? Don't sell me this pitty bullsh!t cause I aint buying it. I've been as low as it goes & do you know who was there to help me? No one! I was 20 years old & I picked myself up & got my life together. I'm now working on my masters degree living in a nice apartment with my 2 dogs & my wife, so don't give me any of this we need to help everyone crap. I pay for school in cash every semester from a BS manual labor job that I have. I don't usually talk about this because everyone gives you that I'm so sorry look but they can take that & shove where the sun don't shine. Everything I've been through in life has made me who I am & I'm proud & happy the way I've ended up. In this world you either do for yourself or not at all. Period.

You know thats kind of a sh!t thing to say like I hope you get cancer & then you can really see what its like to suffer or some bullsh!t like that, but in any event I'll respond: In April of 1987 my family's home was pretty well destroyed from a flood that picked the house up & moved it about 30 feet away essential washing away most of our valuables & earthly posessions. Now even though my parents had homeowners insurance & had flood coverage because there was something like 6-8" of mud that came along the insurance company would not classify it as a flood (even though the water level was about 10' high). No it was classified as a landslide. This was a system that my parents paid into that was supposed to be there for aid & assistance when sh!t like this happens but instead they turned their backs on us. Now I know what you're thinking: Boston thats not goverment thats a private insurance company. Not when the insurance is through a state job that is ran by the state, then it becomes a goverment faction. Not to mention there are/were supposed to be programs through the state that are funded by our taxes that are supposed to help people out in times of dire need & disaster but when my parents applied for them they were denied based on the fact that they had jobs (not well paying jobs either) & had insurance.

 

You are right. I never have been homeless or had to struggle too much. Thats pretty much because I have had people there who care about me and helped me if I had any problems. I'm sorry that you didn't, and it is admirable that you pulled yourself out. Furthermore I NEVER implied that you had any sort of addiction so why would you even mention that? You really think people should have to go through that to succeed? If so that sounds like bitterness on your part. Also its one thing to say that you improved your situation when you were 20 years old and single(I'm assuming here since you didnt say otherwise). No less kudo's to you but what about those people who loose thier jobs who have families to provide for? Would you want your kids to live on the streets? Wouldn't you take some gov't handouts if it meant your kids could eat?

Why would anyone give you a pitying look for paying for school in cash from a manual labor job? Good for you, congratulations. Thats sincerity right there not sarcasm.

 

I apologize for the comment about "if your house was on fire", obviously I wouldn't want that to happen to anyone. I was just trying to make a point that taxes help pay for essential services like fire and police departments.

The flood incident with your families house really really sucks. The insurance company and the government SHOULD have paid IMO. I'll be the first one to say that the system needs to be revamped.

 

I grew up in public schools in the poorest state in this country & let me just say our, as a nation, public education system sucks. I'd never let my future kids go to public schools & have to sit through that utter dribble that they spew out to these kids. The problem is you have some jacktard from Kansas (this is not a harp on Kansas or its people, I mean jacktard in the sense that he is a career politician, has no clue about the real world & I could have used any state, sorry for any harsh feelings) that lives in D.C. & tells people in North Carolina how to run their school systems. I'am not sure that people from Charlotte, NC know whats going on in Raleigh, NC or in Greensboro, NC & so on & so forth for that matter either.

 

I agree. It does suck. Arizona is 48th in the Union, and we are not the poorest state either. And no, jackasses from Kansas shouldn't be running school districts from DC (neither should parents, but that is another issue). But we still need a public education system, which will obviously be funded by taxes.

 

*Hey B, how was that? I don't think there were any personal attacks, right? See I can play nice when i want to *

 

 

How is that even sadder? The man is happy with the way he lives his life and obviously he's the only one to thank for that. He has every right to live his life the way HE wants to live it, because it's HIS life and not YOUR life. It's not your life, so quit judging him for it. You have no right to imply your ideals on anyone else simply because for some fscked up reason you think you have the only correct outlook on life.

 

Why should I (we) have to work our asses off and then get to see the large chunk of change that gets taken out of our paycheck so stupid, unmotivated, worthless, and lazy people can mooch off us and sit on their lazy asses and smoke weed and do drugs all day?

 

I'm sure all non-working folk smoke weed and do drugs. Just like all liberals are socialist, and all republicans are fascist (I've heard Obama is both btw, in the same sentance too, lol).

Yes, he has every right to live life the way he wants it, but I have every right to judge how he does that when he proclaims it on the internet, just like he has been doing with my statements. It works both ways you know.

[Fukinitupagain]

Beast, when I speak of taking care of myself I mean my family (family & friends that I care for). I probably should have specified that earlier. I speak of taking are of me & mine I'm talk of my own, my family.

 

No I don't want my future children to go through what either myself or my wife has had to go through but I don't expect anyone to inssure that but us (my wife & I). I do have compassion but I only help those that I care to help. There are many people, my wife's mother being one of them, that I wouldn't because she would do the same thing over & over & over. If people would quit doing for her then maybe she would pull herself together & do for herslef. I have no problem in working together, what I have a problem with is working for someone else & more over someone I don't know or might not even care for. I should have the option to choose if I want to care for them or not, to help them if I want to. I want the choice to work together not to be forced to. You & I are talking of the same end result I believe, just going about getting there differently. Confirm the strong, revive the weak

 

I really don't see how much as changed since the 30's. Yes we have more technology & we've made leaps in bounds in civil rights but people are still born, they grow, they love, they work & they die. We just have more toys to play with & better medicine (LOL). But in all seriousness I think the core of people & exsistance hasn't changed all that much.

 

And theres nothing admirable about what I've done in life. I was pressented with a choice & I chose to fight instead of give up & die (metaphorically speaking). And I'm not saying that people should have to go through that to succeed, all I was doing was illistarting the point that with all of the cards stacked against you, you can still come through on your own. I'm not bitter, I'm actually very happy with life & probably more so than if I would have just been handed things in life. I don't take anything for granted cause I know it can all be gone in a second. I hope that none of you (well except maybe Alexrex, hahaha) ever have to go through that. Oh & I wasn't saying that you implied that I was an addict its just if/when I mention that I've been down on my luck before thats the 1st thing people think of.

 

I wish I could've quoted you so it could have been easier for everyone to follow but I think it makes sense.

[beastpath]

Beast, when I speak of taking care of myself I mean my family (family & friends that I care for). I probably should have specified that earlier. I speak of taking are of me & mine I'm talk of my own, my family.

 

No I don't want my future children to go through what either myself or my wife has had to go through but I don't expect anyone to inssure that but us (my wife & I). I do have compassion but I only help those that I care to help. There are many people, my wife's mother being one of them, that I wouldn't because she would do the same thing over & over & over. If people would quit doing for her then maybe she would pull herself together & do for herslef. I have no problem in working together, what I have a problem with is working for someone else & more over someone I don't know or might not even care for. I should have the option to choose if I want to care for them or not, to help them if I want to. I want the choice to work together not to be forced to. You & I are talking of the same end result I believe, just going about getting there differently. Confirm the strong, revive the weak

 

I really don't see how much as changed since the 30's. Yes we have more technology & we've made leaps in bounds in civil rights but people are still born, they grow, they love, they work & they die. We just have more toys to play with & better medicine (LOL). But in all seriousness I think the core of people & exsistance hasn't changed all that much.

 

And theres nothing admirable about what I've done in life. I was pressented with a choice & I chose to fight instead of give up & die (metaphorically speaking). And I'm not saying that people should have to go through that to succeed, all I was doing was illistarting the point that with all of the cards stacked against you, you can still come through on your own. I'm not bitter, I'm actually very happy with life & probably more so than if I would have just been handed things in life. I don't take anything for granted cause I know it can all be gone in a second. I hope that none of you (well except maybe Alexrex, hahaha) ever have to go through that. Oh & I wasn't saying that you implied that I was an addict its just if/when I mention that I've been down on my luck before thats the 1st thing people think of.

 

I wish I could've quoted you so it could have been easier for everyone to follow but I think it makes sense.

 

 

It makes perfect sense. Lol, I was just thinking to myself that I half agree with what you have been saying and then you pointed out that its just how to get there that we disagree on.

I still say its admirable that you chose to succeed. Not everyone does.

 

good one about Alexrex....gave me a good laugh

[Fukinitupagain]

I just want people to stand up & take care of themselves & not to depend on the government. I want people to succeed & to make their lives better, I just don't want to have to pay for their existance or their way of life.

 

We probably do disagree on voting however. I don't see much good in it anymore. Liberty & freedom is not a 2 party system. Thats not a choice, thats simply a lack of options. There is no real differnce in the end result of Democrats & Republicans its all about how you like it. The Democrats are the foxes & they'll tell you "No, we won't f*ck you. We want to help you," but as soon as you turn around they eat you (f*ck you). Republicans are the wolves, they say "We are going to f*ck you. This is how we are going to do it." In the end you still get f*cked either way, its all about how you like to take it. They are not concerned with whats right for their people but whats right for their re-election. We now have a generation of career politicans who only care about getting re-elected & have gone to school for politics & have by all rights been failures in the real world but we elect them into Congress or the House or in the Presidency because they are the best option we have at the time. Thats pathetic. I believe there has to be more than just 2 options, maybe even more than 3. Maybe do away with a party system in general & have a real republic where the people have real repreentatives & if they don't do what the people want then they are gone & someone is in there that listens to the poeple. That way you have politicans who are concerned with what their people want as apposed to how do I get re-elected?

[beastpath]

I just want people to stand up & take care of themselves & not to depend on the government. I want people to succeed & to make their lives better, I just don't want to have to pay for their existance or their way of life.

 

We probably do disagree on voting however. I don't see much good in it anymore. Liberty & freedom is not a 2 party system. Thats not a choice, thats simply a lack of options. There is no real differnce in the end result of Democrats & Republicans its all about how you like it. The Democrats are the foxes & they'll tell you "No, we won't f*ck you. We want to help you," but as soon as you turn around they eat you (f*ck you). Republicans are the wolves, they say "We are going to f*ck you. This is how we are going to do it." In the end you still get f*cked either way, its all about how you like to take it. They are not concerned with whats right for their people but whats right for their re-election. We now have a generation of career politicans who only care about getting re-elected & have gone to school for politics & have by all rights been failures in the real world but we elect them into Congress or the House or in the Presidency because they are the best option we have at the time. Thats pathetic. I believe there has to be more than just 2 options, maybe even more than 3. Maybe do away with a party system in general & have a real republic where the people have real repreentatives & if they don't do what the people want then they are gone & someone is in there that listens to the poeple. That way you have politicans who are concerned with what their people want as apposed to how do I get re-elected?

 

Actually I don't disagree exactly, but I do think that my vote is somewhat important, if only marginally. You are right, there isn't much difference to the repubs and democrats (another reason I am neither), and what one party accomplishes in thier terms in offices is changed by the other party when they get control. A 3 or more party system would be good, or maybe do what they used to and not have running mates for presidential candidates. Then the "looser" of the election would become the VP. This could help balance out ideological motives.

 

The thing you have to be careful about in a true republic is the "tyranny of the majority". I suppose in theory thats why representatives etc. are not as accountable as they perhaps should be.

[Fukinitupagain]

Yeah I've mentioned, in one of the ealier posts, about mod rule & how the group can be ignorant & lazy. But I don't want a national republic, I want a sate reblic. We are supposed to be the United States of America, sperate indivual states that come together as a whole in times of need (ie war). I think that a national goverment should do not much more than deal with forgein affairs, national security & import/exports. Not taxation, not education policy, not gun laws, not so much as even seatbelt laws for states.

[beastpath]

Yeah I've mentioned, in one of the ealier posts, about mod rule & how the group can be ignorant & lazy. But I don't want a national republic, I want a sate reblic. We are supposed to be the United States of America, sperate indivual states that come together as a whole in times of need (ie war). I think that a national goverment should do not much more than deal with forgein affairs, national security & import/exports. Not taxation, not education policy, not gun laws, not so much as even seatbelt laws for states.

 

 

LOL, we already fought a war over that.

[Precise1]

we elect them into Congress or the House or in the Presidency because they are the best option we have at the time. Thats pathetic. I believe there has to be more than just 2 options, maybe even more than 3. Maybe do away with a party system in general & have a real republic where the people have real repreentatives & if they don't do what the people want then they are gone & someone is in there that listens to the poeple. That way you have politicans who are concerned with what their people want as apposed to how do I get re-elected?

 

Well said. Democan and Republicrats is what I call our two parties... The good old boy system needs to be broken down and real time, real choice parties available.

 

But I don't want a national republic, I want a sate reblic. We are supposed to be the United States of America, sperate indivual states that come together as a whole in times of need (ie war). I think that a national goverment should do not much more than deal with forgein affairs, national security & import/exports. Not taxation, not education policy, not gun laws, not so much as even seatbelt laws for states.

Perfectly fair and as I believe it was truely intended. The real problem is that in the past a states border meant something and the distances were time consuming. I can hit 15-20 states in 2 days depending how hard I try...

Federal over regulation (and taxation) is definitely the case. The States were created to be semi-independent but that has faded.

I just state the facts, not what should be or how...

 

B

[94extreme]

alright.. step right up funkin and others: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/9/1...e-Purity-Pledge

[beastpath]

having fun stirring the pot 94? lol

[Fukinitupagain]

Yes, yes 94 I see. You are baiting/trolling for me again. Apparently you have a hard time reading so I'll re-iterate what I've said, although I'm getting tired of having to say the same thing over & over because you can't understand what I'm saying - its seems as if everyone else has even if they don't agree with me. So here we go:

 

I am for taxation but against any form of income tax. I have no problem taxing import/exports & goods that I purchase to fund things like law enforcement, fire departments, public education (even though I think the private sector could take over & be much more successful), etc etc. I want to do away with the Internal Revenue Service. They are criminals, plain & simple.

 

I am for unlimited personal freedom, so long as you are not physically harming someone else. I mean real freedom, not this veiled socialism that we are given in the guise of freedom. I want to be able to make my own decisions based on my life & my own choices, I don't want some career loser who thinks because they've been groomed to be a politican that they know whats best for my life. Once the real freedom is obtained if you chose to give it up that’s your issue, but don't tell me what I ought to be doing with mine.

 

94, if any of this has still been hard for you to understand, please repost & I'll try & go slower for you. Maybe we'll use big letters next time or even color code it, ok?

[94extreme]

having fun stirring the pot 94? lol

yes sir.

 

Yes, yes 94 I see. You are baiting/trolling for me again.

yes sir.

 

i actually have not read everything so hold off on the big letters or colors unless that makes you happy.. once i catch up though.. then maybe you could proceed.

i just came across that pledge and thought it would be up your alley.. sorry if now you don't feel all so independent. i'll be baack.

[adamzan]

I like big letters and bright colours

[94extreme]

^^^ those are bit subdued.. not bright enough. but their size is perfect.

[Kingman]

Can you tell hes from Canada? Look at the pretty colours.

[v6engine]

I am for unlimited personal freedom,

 

 

Too broad. That will lead to chaos. You know... anarchy.

 

 

 

so long as you are not physically harming someone else.

 

Eventually it will. See above

 

 

I don't want some career loser who thinks because they've been groomed to be a politician that they know whats best for my life.

 

 

You have the vote. Make sure he never get elected into office.

[94extreme]

You have the vote. Make sure he never get elected into office.

 

or quit whining and step up and serve others.. of course one would have to be not so selfish to do that.

[Fukinitupagain]

Being that I’m just running around in circles with everyone on this thread & getting no where, because I have to keep reiterating what I’ve already said or I have to say it in a different way to make it clearer to people, this will be my last post (no need to troll anymore for 94). So lets address some more issues that should have already been cleared up, shall we.

 

Too broad. That will lead to chaos. You know... anarchy.

No that’s actually fairly specific. If I had said “I believe in freedom” then that would be broad. Freedom for whom, for what, from what? I’m not going to sit here & list the infinite possibilities to which it will/would apply, you guys should be able to figure them out. Giving people real freedom will not create chaos or anarchy. That’s the same kind of mindset people had about keeping alcohol legal in the 20’s, as if you are saying that if people are given real freedom then we will all abuse it. Sure there will be individuals who will step outside of the boundaries & abuse their freedom but then you slap them back into place. Its just like we, as a country, haven’t seen the need to make alcohol illegal again because some individuals abuse it & make stupid decisions, like driving while impaired or fighting while intoxicated or public urination (thank you Starkey for that one…) while under the influence of alcohol. Have a bit of faith in people. I can’t stand most people but I understand that if everyone is able to stand up on their own 2 feet then they won’t have to ride my back to get down the road of life.

 

Eventually it will. See above

See above…

 

You have the vote. Make sure he never get elected into office.

I vote, but at a certain point you have to realize that A: there is not much difference between the 2 parties or many of the candidates or B: that our system is beginning to fail us (we might even be past the beginning phase already) & it might be time to rethink or reevaluate our political system or our government as a whole. Its time to make some changes & I don’t mean superficial changes like electing another career politician, I mean tearing it down & starting over new.

 

Its like this, say you buy a car brand new, no miles never been driven before & for 10 years everything runs smooth as long as you make the necessary oil changes & tire rotations, but lets say at year 11 your alternator goes out, so you replace it. Then the next year, your starter goes, so you replace that as well. Then the next year you realize your bushings are shot to hell so you replace all of those. Now for a couple of years it runs okay, but at year 15 you start to get a knock in your engine so you rebuild that, but then you tranny starts to slip the next year so you rebuild that. Okay, so now everything is good, right? No because then your alternator goes out again a couple of years later because its been 8 years since you replaced it last. So now your body/frame are rusting, your drivers door doesn’t shut properly, your AC has gone out, you’ve got that knock back in your engine & your tranny is slipping again. Now you could dump a lot more money into it, again, but you know that it’s a waste of time, effort & money & it makes more sense to just scrap that old piece of junk & go buy a new car & start all over again. 300+ years is a really good run for a system of government, if you don’t believe me, check history.

 

As far as how I feel about the only 2 choices of parties & voting you can see what I wrote in post #257, I’m not going to quote it because then this would be waaay too long of a post then (it may already be…).

 

or quit whining and step up and serve others.. of course one would have to be not so selfish to do that.

I’ve considered running for some form of public office but being that I am too young to legally run & that age, instead of experience in this world, is what seems to be more important in politics these days in this country I may have to wait. Age does not automatically equal wisdom. Then again I don’t care to make decisions for other people & that’s all our current system does & 1 politician will not change that, only a country of free & willing citizens can.

 

So I leave you with this:

In a country of lost souls rebellion comes hard but in a country that is socially & politically oppressed rebellion comes like wildfire…

 

 

 

 

but then again, who is John Galt?...

[GrimGreg]

You have the vote. Make sure he never get elected into office.

Unless said "he" promises money for nothing to the masses of uneducated idiots in this country and so they vote for him en-mass and negate any vote by those with a brain.

[GrimGreg]

So I leave you with this:

In a country of lost souls rebellion comes hard but in a country that is socially & politically oppressed rebellion comes like wildfire…

but then again, who is John Galt?...

 

Hey Boston, I have a lighter in my pocket......

[Kingman]

Which is 100% true...

 

DID YOU KNOW, that studies conducted on 3 college campuses showed that 90% of students voted for Obama specifically because of his race, without knowing or regarding his political views or the ideals and views of McCain?

 

Kids around my school were always talking about how awesome it was that he's black. You know what every one said when I asked them if they even knew anything about his political views? They said something along the lines of "I don't care dude he's black hell yeah! Go Obama!"

 

...Exactly.

 

Saying it wasn't a racist election is ignorant and pure stupid. Which brings to mind the famous words of Ron White, "you can't fix stupid."

[beastpath]

Which is 100% true...

 

DID YOU KNOW, that studies conducted on 3 college campuses showed that 90% of students voted for Obama specifically because of his race, without knowing or regarding his political views or the ideals and views of McCain?

 

Kids around my school were always talking about how awesome it was that he's black. You know what every one said when I asked them if they even knew anything about his political views? They said something along the lines of "I don't care dude he's black hell yeah! Go Obama!"

 

...Exactly.

 

Saying it wasn't a racist election is ignorant and pure stupid. Which brings to mind the famous words of Ron White, "you can't fix stupid."

 

 

What studies? Studies by Fox news or CNN? Or studies from reputable sources?

People at ASU are fairly politically aware I have'nt really heard anyone saying he is great just because he is black. Hell, not even my black friends have said that! But AZ is a conservative state so maybe the campus's you are mentioning are much more liberal.

 

Sure, race was a factor in the election. But I do think that there was a substantial number of people who voted AGAINST Obama because he is black. Several people I work with did for sure!