RedPath88 Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Yeah perfectly understandable and I agree completely... the FN was missing from one of my springs. Also, any and all identifying information that can be found makes locating the right ones even easier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precise1 Posted April 29, 2006 Share Posted April 29, 2006 Nice K9 !!! B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 (edited) more updates.... verified yellow tag for FN's (picked up a pair off a 98 JCG limited) The first one I had, the tag had bleached out to white laying in the sun. discovered a FH spring - .50 8coil with a grey tag found an FK spring with original part number (1119) and the tag appeared yellow but that may be stained or faded. It was on a 94 cherokee sport Edited May 1, 2006 by k9sar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Drift Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 Dumb question...has anyone tried this on an R50? And will I need either Four REAR JGC springs to do this? Also with the Ford springs, is it only the rear springs that are useful or do you just strip all 4 off a truck? Lastly, why did you cut them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vengeful Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 The diameter of the coil on the R50 is larger than that on the WD. The same springs wont work, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are coils on another vehicle that match the dimensions of the R50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Drift Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 Lucky bastards with your WD21's!!!!!! I'd be happy just with just a body lift...can I do that though? Nooooooooooo stupid unibodies. You guys get all the cool stuff lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 heheheheh. My suggestion is to measure your springs (uncompressed length, coil diameter and wire diameter) and head to the local u-pull-it to do some investigating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Drift Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 heheheheh. My suggestion is to measure your springs (uncompressed length, coil diameter and wire diameter) and head to the local u-pull-it to do some investigating. Yeah, I may do that actually. I'm checking all sorts of options, even pricing out custom work at a local offroad shop. Stupid pathy, can't just leave it stock right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88pathoffroad Posted June 14, 2006 Author Share Posted June 14, 2006 Dumb question...has anyone tried this on an R50? And will I need either Four REAR JGC springs to do this? Also with the Ford springs, is it only the rear springs that are useful or do you just strip all 4 off a truck? Lastly, why did you cut them? R50 coils are larger, so no, no JGC swap for R50's. REAR JGC springs are shorter than the fronts...Ford trucks have leaf springs in the rear...and the top coil on a JGC spring curls down to a 3" diameter that won't fit the seat on a Pathy, so you have to either trim the 3" bit off so it fits, or heat it up and re-shape the coil to 4". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdhicks99 Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 OK I skimmed this entire thread and didn't see any mention of this so here's my .02 While looking for new JGC springs I found a list of all the vehicles with the exact same coils. TRW VARIABLE RATE SPRINGS Part Number: CC782 This product fits the following vehicles JEEP 1984 - 1996 CHEROKEE 1989 - 1990 GRAND WAGONEER 1986 - 1992 COMANCHE 1984 - 1990 WAGONEER 1993 - 1996 GRAND CHEROKEE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mws Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 I have a pair of front springs out of a 4.0L (I6) Jeep something sitting in front of me (thanks, Red!). They have just under 8.5 coils, but it appears Red already cut the pig tail off. The springs are just over 17" long. The wire is .54 to .55 inches in diameter OD of spring is about 5.25", ID is about 4.00" Data points: I did a bunch of mixing and matching and confused up the data points, but youmay still be able to glean some useful insights. The '88 came with thick (.58") progressive JGC coils (not sure what model or color code) with pigtails already cut off and Rancho 5000's. Too firm for my taste. Nowhere near as bad as a Cherokee with add-a-leafs, but not as comfortable and compliant as I'd like. So those went on to the '87 going to the nephew who considers it a Cadillac ride compared to the aformentioned heep. With the same mini spare inside, small sub box, and 40lb tool box, this provided just under 1.5" lift. On the '88, I installed the JGC I6 coils I mentioned below with the same Sears Roadtamer shocks I've been using on the '87. Straight rate, .55 wire. Stiffer than stock for sure, but still very nice and compliant. Feels ideal to me! No noticeable loss of lift compared to the other springs, so again about 1 to 1.5" lift. And yes, the Air-Lift bags are still in there for heavy loads or extra lift! I do need to make a spacer so they become effective sooner. Bottom line: I think the JGC I-6 .55" wire straight rates could be the best option unless you regularly carry very heavy loads or like buckboard ride quaility. If you need more lift, add a spacer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88pathoffroad Posted October 9, 2006 Author Share Posted October 9, 2006 OK I skimmed this entire thread and didn't see any mention of this so here's my .02 While looking for new JGC springs I found a list of all the vehicles with the exact same coils. TRW VARIABLE RATE SPRINGS Part Number: CC782 This product fits the following vehicles JEEP 1984 - 1996 CHEROKEE 1989 - 1990 GRAND WAGONEER 1986 - 1992 COMANCHE 1984 - 1990 WAGONEER 1993 - 1996 GRAND CHEROKEE Excellent info, thanks. I'll add to the first post so it's easier for new folks to find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeppelindrummer Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Yes, if the t-bars are adjusted properly. They may need to be reindexed though, due to age. Hey 88, i'm going to be heading to a couple u pull it yards this weekend to get some jgc coils. I"m wondering, what new shocks should i get to accommodate the lift the new coil springs are going to give? Also, is cranking the torsion bars the only way to get a front end lift? I'm thinking about going with the JGC coil lift, and getting some coil spacers, which should give about a 5" lift, but what should i do about the front end? Do you recommend me only going with the JGC coil lift, cranking the torsion bars and getting a body lift to help with my oversize tires and clearance? Any input helps! Thanks alot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 (edited) Hey 88, i'm going to be heading to a couple u pull it yards this weekend to get some jgc coils. I"m wondering, what new shocks should i get to accommodate the lift the new coil springs are going to give? Also, is cranking the torsion bars the only way to get a front end lift? I'm thinking about going with the JGC coil lift, and getting some coil spacers, which should give about a 5" lift, but what should i do about the front end? Do you recommend me only going with the JGC coil lift, cranking the torsion bars and getting a body lift to help with my oversize tires and clearance? Any input helps! Thanks alot! @ 5" of lift........... (my other truck king caca only has 7" of lift on 33's.. 4" SL and 3"BL) one of my trucks (mini me) has the JGC lift (i got 3.5" out back).... with almost equal lift up front (now my t bars er saggin).... i run rancho 5000's with mini's JGC lift... BL is a way to clear larger tires........ still may have to trim depending on what size tires yer runnin...... besides a SL, yes, cranking the t bars is the only way to get front end lift..... Edited February 10, 2008 by Slick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88pathoffroad Posted February 11, 2008 Author Share Posted February 11, 2008 Hey 88, i'm going to be heading to a couple u pull it yards this weekend to get some jgc coils. I"m wondering, what new shocks should i get to accommodate the lift the new coil springs are going to give? There's a shock discussion thread already in progress somewhere around here...stock length Ranchos are 5118's, I used 5112's with about 4" of lift with good results. Also, is cranking the torsion bars the only way to get a front end lift? Basically, yes. You could also go buy a Trailmaster 4" lift kit, which drops the front diff and torsion bars down 4". The real limit on front end lift is the CV axles. You cannot lift it more than around 3 inches max without maxing out the angles on the CV's and potentially ruining them every time you go wheeling. I've replaced at least 4 trashed CV's by now, so I can say this with some authority. I'm thinking about going with the JGC coil lift, and getting some coil spacers, which should give about a 5" lift, but what should i do about the front end? Do you recommend me only going with the JGC coil lift, cranking the torsion bars and getting a body lift to help with my oversize tires and clearance? Any input helps! Thanks alot! See above. The rear can be lifted much higher than the front can, so take caution with the 5" idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeppelindrummer Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 There's a shock discussion thread already in progress somewhere around here...stock length Ranchos are 5118's, I used 5112's with about 4" of lift with good results.Basically, yes. You could also go buy a Trailmaster 4" lift kit, which drops the front diff and torsion bars down 4". The real limit on front end lift is the CV axles. You cannot lift it more than around 3 inches max without maxing out the angles on the CV's and potentially ruining them every time you go wheeling. I've replaced at least 4 trashed CV's by now, so I can say this with some authority. See above. The rear can be lifted much higher than the front can, so take caution with the 5" idea. Awesome! Thanks for all the help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBob Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 question about shocks.. I currently have RS5116 shocks in, but I feel the coils I have in there (calmini 3" lift coils) have a lot more potential for extension. However, I'm not sure if I'm lifted enough to go to RS5112s which is what I want to do. Looking at the shock that's in now it looks like there is about 6" of room on the shock for compression. Will I have problems going to the 5112? or should I go 5114? oooor stay at 5116. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandShark Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 (edited) Lift Springs Edited April 14, 2008 by LandShark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nunya Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 with the ammount of info on here i am extremely confused(not hard to do). at work i am junking a 89 cherokee laredo i6. are these useful or not on a 88 2 door, no spare tire rack? i have them out but didn't think far enough ahead to measure anything or count the coils,commen sence is lacking with me sometimes. i was just wondering before i go through cutting them and wasting getting them powdercoated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9sar Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 typically, the I6 have tthe lighter springs (probably FJ's). coil count should be same but throw a quick measurement on the wire thickness. anything over .52 should give you some lift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88pathoffroad Posted May 11, 2008 Author Share Posted May 11, 2008 Coil count on ZJ (Grand Cherokee) is 9. Coil count on XJ's is 8. I've never seen an XJ in the junkyard with 9 coil front springs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creekkid Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 (edited) Just want to tell everyone about the JGC coils I got at the local JY. It seems everyone say v8 models is where to get them but I found yellow tag .560 inch coil thickness part number 52088362 FN got them from a 6 cyl Grand Cherokee Limited. hope they work for me. Just want to help the ass sag and stiffen it up some with a little bit of lift. Going on 95 SE with tire carrier and trailer hitch. Here is a pic of the new springs Edited June 3, 2008 by Creekkid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Just saw this "how-to" topic for the first time tonight. Just curious, if I put these springs in the back can I still keep the stock length shocks, and can I get away with just cranking up the tbars in the front to equal out the lift? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precise1 Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Yes and yes, but you won't have as much flex ability in the rear and the front components (mainly ball joints) will wear a bit faster without new UCAs. B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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